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Jan 19, 2006 7:41 AM
by: Charles Dyer
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Classic on Intel based Macs
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Oct 17, 2005 8:06 AM
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Will Classic run on the upcoming Intel based Macs? I seldomly need OS9 apps, but I doubt if I am ready to buy a Mac that can't run it.
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RE: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Oct 17, 2005 9:02 AM
in response to: Terry Vogelaar
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Hi Terry;
No. Intel will be the death nell of Classic.
Allan
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Re: RE: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 10, 2006 8:59 PM
in response to: Allan Eckert
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Has Apple reps said whether they will continue with non-Intel macs for teachers that have a ton of legacy software. We can't afford to replace this software, and some of it will NEVER be upgraded to OS X.
1.25 eMac, clamshell ibook, blue and white tower, and 3 imacs
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 11, 2006 12:20 PM
in response to: Terry Vogelaar
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Hi Terry;
Here is the latest update to what will be supported by Rosetta. You will notice that it says that Classic will NOT be supported.
Allan
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 11, 2006 1:46 PM
in response to: Terry Vogelaar
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I have a lot of Software running only in classic, e.g. games for my kid. If you want to buy educational software or games for small kids, most of them today only run in classic environment (this is the situation in Austria/Germany).
I think there will be a lot of troubles, when buying such software in the (web-)shops such as Amazon in the next years: "There is written 'running on Mac' in the description, but does it really on my new Intel-Mac"?
Do I have to use a windows-PC with an Mac-Emulation to run my old Mac programs in future? So it is hard for me to decide which direction to switch at the next buy (I know most of this games also run on Windows-PC without buying a new version).
It is sad that Apple does not care about their user's investments 
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Re: RE: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 12, 2006 9:21 AM
in response to: EITLtd
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I would expect that Apple will sell PowerPC Macs for the next little while. If there is demand they'll keep on selling them, the way that they reintroduced the Mirror Drive Door G4s which could boot OS 9 after the public screamed. If there is insufficient demand, well, sorry, but the supply will dry up.
In all seriousness, how long do you really expect Apple to support old, already paid for, software, most of which was 3rd-party software so that Apple got no money out of it in the first place?
Finally, there's been some speculation that PPC emulators, rather like the way that VPC was an Intel emulator, will be available for Intel Macs in the near future. (No, I'm not thinking of Rosetta. Rosetta isn't an emulator.)
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 12, 2006 10:50 AM
in response to: RomanBFischer
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Hi RomanBFisher;
There is nothing that says you must upgrade if OS 9 is that critical. Apple is just saying you can't have it both ways. I don't see the problem, if OS 9 is that important for you stay on a G3.
Allan
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 12, 2006 3:56 PM
in response to: Terry Vogelaar
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My problem is called Adobe FrameMaker. There is no alternative out there.
FrameMaker runs only in Classic Mode and further development for MacOS was discontinued by Adobe.
My hope was Pages 2 but the documentation for Pages 2 was written with Adobe FrameMaker 6.0.
So i see Apple in the same airplane with me.
They must have an answer for the future.
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 16, 2006 12:53 PM
in response to: 2Mac
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Classic is emulated by OS X and could likely be emulated by OS X on Intel with a few modifications. Perhaps Apple should take care of their long term existing and *loyal* customers by spending the few dollars it would take to let classic run on Intel. Many (20,000?) software titles have been developed for classic including scientific programs, games, kids programs. Cultures die when the plug is pulled on them (and Apple is definitely a culture based company). Longtime mac users will be given more of a reason to upgrade if Classic is supported. If classic is not, then Apple loses those sales (and potentially loses those customers to other operating systems if they have no vested reason to stay with Apple).
One happy customer tells one person that they are happy. One unhappy customer tells ten.
Free Classic.
please.
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 18, 2006 1:20 AM
in response to: daveslc
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I'v seen, that Apple uses FrameMaker to produce the documents for Pages 2 (not Pages 2 itself!).
FrameMaker is only running in Classic, so that Apple has the same problem like us.
May be Pages 5 is an usable replacement for FrameMaker. But what's to use up to this version?
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 18, 2006 11:29 AM
in response to: daveslc
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We have the same problem that most school sw runs on Classic. I do not have to upgrade now, but if my current machines start to fail I would have to seriously consider moving to wintel. If I have to buy new sw anyways what stops me from buying cheaper hardware to put it on. Even MS knows that a sw base is expense to replace or impossible to replace and still lets users run DOS programs. I hope Apple does not abandon the "Trublueenvirorment". They say that Classic would run to slow on the new intel macs, but the new intel macs are 2x faster than current macs. Besides the Classic sw was designed to run on sub 100 MHz macs. So if the intel macs run at 3 to 4 GHz should not a Classic emulator run fast enough to handle Classic apps. Apple it is your call but if you do not support the old apps you might just start lossing your "true blue" base. These customors have been with you for years and feel abandon.
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 18, 2006 12:31 PM
in response to: Keith King
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Hi Keith;
From the sounds of it Apple isn't getting very much beyond good will from you. It isn't a nice thing to drop support for the older stuff but if it isn't paying for itself, it will have to go.
This being a user to user support forum it probably isn't the best place to threaten about switching over to a PC. You might want to send this directly to Apple instead, if you feel so strongly about this.
Personally I don't think you have a leg to stand on here. From what I have read on the subject of retaining "Classic" on Intel was too large of an amount of work for too small of a group of users. Hence it is being dropped.
Allan
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 18, 2006 12:48 PM
in response to: Allan Eckert
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Let's see, Keith has an ibook and OS 10.4.4. This means that at the very least, in the last year, he has purchased a new operating system from Apple. He has also purchased an ibook in the somewhat recent past and is considering spending a bunch of money on macintel machine, but wants classic.
Sounds like he has two good legs to stand on and that Apple would do well to listen to its 'true blue' base.
Other users are likewise looking for a reason to upgrade to macintel and no classic support is a stumbling block to this.
Dave
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 18, 2006 1:21 PM
in response to: Keith King
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We have the same problem that most school sw runs on
Classic. I do not have to upgrade now, but if my
current machines start to fail I would have to
seriously consider moving to wintel.
Go for it.
If I have to
buy new sw anyways what stops me from buying cheaper
hardware to put it on.
Absolutely nothing. If you perfer to go with Windows, more power to you.
Even MS knows that a sw base
is expense to replace or impossible to replace and
still lets users run DOS programs. I hope Apple does
not abandon the "Trublueenvirorment".
It's dead, Jim. Or at least it will be real soon now.
They say that
Classic would run to slow on the new intel macs, but
the new intel macs are 2x faster than current macs.
Besides the Classic sw was designed to run on sub
100 MHz macs. So if the intel macs run at 3 to 4
GHz should not a Classic emulator run fast enough to
handle Classic apps. Apple it is your call but if
you do not support the old apps you might just start
lossing your "true blue" base. These customors have
been with you for years and feel abandon.
Apple would have to spend money to support people who don't spend money to support them. This is not going to happen.
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Re: Classic on Intel based Macs
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Jan 18, 2006 1:28 PM
in response to: Charles Dyer
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Apple would have to spend money to support people who
don't spend money to support them. This is not going
to happen.
No, these people have supported Apple for years. Updating the macintel machines to support classic means that the *only* people that would benefit from this are people that are buying a brand new mac. This means that if Apple updates this, that they would sell more Macs. Yes, there is a direct tradeoff between cost of updating classic and how many more macintel machines they would sell, but there is high intangible cost to abandoning long time users.
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