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by: Mark Edwards8
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Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 2, 2007 3:44 PM
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Hello, this is my first post.
Thanks for all your help so far - but this time I did not find an answer reading other posts.
Here's something that happens since I'm using SPACES with OSX 10.5:
I start up Aperture in its assigned SPACE #3, then I view a pic in FullScreenMode, hit <F> again to go back to MainWindow, then I switch to SPACE #2 for an email check (for example).
When I return to SPACE #3, I find Aperture as I left it except I have the black FilmStrip show up as soon I move the mouse pointer just a millimeter. The strange thing with the FilmStrip is (besides it should not be there at all) that it has all its buttons but no single preview picture. When I start up Aperture w/out using FullScreenMode before switching SPACES the strip does not show up. BTW, there is no difference if the strip is placed on bottom or side of the screen.
Am I alone with this?
I gave Apple a feedback already.
But maybe you know more....
TIA Uli
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 2, 2007 6:55 PM
in response to: UliK
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Same thing happens here. (Even the space I put Aperture in. :D)
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 3, 2007 8:05 AM
in response to: UliK
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I found the same thing. It makes it not possible to use Aperture in Spaces. This is an obvious bug, so hopefully it will be addressed. In the meantime, I am disappointed because I like the idea of having Aperture assigned to its own Space that I could jump back and forth to. I am wondering if anyone has found a workaround until the bug is fixed.
Thanks -
Dudley Warner
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 4, 2007 2:01 PM
in response to: Dudley Warner
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I'm really relieved to find this - I couldn't understand why Filmstrip suddenly started appearing and I hadn't realised it was due to Spaces. So that's the second major feature of Leopard that Aperture has screwed up - I already had to stop using Time Machine because it's incompatible with Aperture. I love both Aperture and Leopard so this is a real drag. Someone should have told the Aperture team that there was a new version of the O/S coming out that the might want to look at.
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 4, 2007 3:07 PM
in response to: OutToLunch
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Hidden in another thread was told that there is a way to get rid of that "special-filmstrip-feature" by
using FullScreenMode again.
Still not very cool....
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 4, 2007 3:25 PM
in response to: OutToLunch
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It's not only Aperture that doesn't work well with Spaces. All accounts are that Spaces is the thing with the problems.
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 6, 2007 12:33 AM
in response to: UliK
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Yes this is ultimately a bug, but it's not quite that simple.
The "bug" is that spaces will let you assign a separate space to Aperture and "Full Screen Aperture". To try it, just go-into full screen mode and then go into spaces and drag that screen to a new space. Now if you go to the full-screen space and leave full screen mode you will be taken back to the original space. Toggle full screen back and you'll be taken to the new space.
The "film strip" remains when you "leave" full screen mode because to Leopard Full-Screen mode is still "on"... it's just in a separate space.
The fix is easy enough (just toggle full-screen on-and-off). BUT, you'll find that if you make sure that Spaces thinks both full-screen and normal view are indeed in the same space, the "bug" won't occur. So far, I've found that as long as you don't move Aperture to a new space after you have launched full-screen mode, the bug won't occur. Once you've went "Full-screen" and back, Spaces now treats the two windows as separate: if you want to move Aperture to a new space at this point you need to drag BOTH to the new space ("full-screen" Aperture and "normal" Aperture).
Whether Spaces treating Full-screen view and normal view as "separable" is a feature or a bug is somewhat subjective. I think this is more Aperture's problem than spaces (it needs to know to turn the film-strip off even if full-screen mode is active in another space).
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 6, 2007 12:48 AM
in response to: OutToLunch
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Why did you have to stop using Time Machine because of Aperture?
Simply set Time Machine to exclude your Aperture Library and use the Vault to backup your Aperture files. Apple even recommends this in some updates support doc somewhere. Makes a lot more sense than completely turning off Time Machine.
Yes, it would be great if Aperture worked with Time Machine, but this "in-the-meantime" solution is not bad at all... especially considering you weren't using Time Machine for Aperture before Leopard anyway. For Aperture just keep using whatever system you were using before Leopard or start using the Vault. Simple
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 6, 2007 1:19 AM
in response to: Padriac
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Hi, Padriac,
I'm not sure if I'm really getting your point:
Why should Leopard/SPACES think it's still in FullScreenMode if I've deactivated it already by hitting <F> to return from FullScreen to NormalView before(!) switching to a different SPACE?
What I don't like is that the FilmStrip still sits there when I come back from a different space!. Just back into NormalView!
To me it is no fix to hit <F> twice when you come back to Aperture to get rid of the strip. Just 2 unnecessary keystrokes.
I've set Aperture via the SPACES menu to open in SPACE 3. So Aperture toggles between the 2 modes in SPACE 3 only.
I see your point about moving FullScreen to another SPACE, yes you have to move the NormalView too.
But in my case: I didn't move Aperture at all.
Best, Uli
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 6, 2007 2:03 AM
in response to: UliK
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Hi Uli.
"Why should Leopard/SPACES think it's still in FullScreenMode if I've deactivated it already by hitting <F> to return from FullScreen to NormalView before(!) switching to a different SPACE? "
I think you may be missing what I'm saying. Once you activate Full-screen mode, Spaces now treats "Normal" and "Full-screen" as completely separate windows. It doesn't matter if you "deactivate" Full-screen mode before you move spaces: it is still separate. In fact when you "deactivate" full-screen mode you aren't really deactivating anything: you are really making the full-screen window "invisible".
Given this, Spaces is behaving exactly like you would expect it to with any other application: windows are treated separately. I think what happened is that Aperture was programmed before Spaces existed so their "make full-screen invisible" trick worked fine. But now that you can separate the two modes in Spaces, it can confuse things.
However, I've found the bug to be inconsistent. Sometimes I can get the stip to show up and other times no matter what crazy things I do with Spaces/Aperture/Full-screen I don't get the bug. When I DO get it, I find that if I manually move full-screen to the new space along with the "normal view" (if full-screen is deactivated, activate it and move it) the bug goes away.
So basically you just need to think of "Full-Screen Mode" as a standard window and you need to think of "deactivating" full-screen mode as really just making that window invisible. Once you think of things in those terms, all the seemingly odd behavior makes perfect sense. The film strip appears in normal mode once you move Aperture because Aperture still thinks full-screen is active (because it is, just invisible and in another space). Once you connect the two modes in the same space again Aperture realizes which mode is "dominant" and deals with the film strip appropriately (because this is how it always did it pre-Leopard). It's just when you split the two windows in different spaces (something Aperture never expected to happen) that Aperture has trouble knowing whether you are editing in full-screen (which is why the film strip shows up) or not (which is why the film strip is empty).
Again, I'm not saying this is ideal, just saying that Spaces is behaving appropriately. What Apple needs to do is to "flag" the full-screen film strip to ONLY be visible if the full-screen window is visible. That will solve everything.
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 6, 2007 2:54 AM
in response to: Padriac
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Padriac,
thanks for your reply.
I think I'll get your point. I'm understanding now why it happens only when FullScreen was activated at least once. This is the moment the new window is "created" and it lives (visible or hidden) as long Aperture is running. Correct?
So you're saying - in my words now - that SPACES works BEHIND that FullScreen window? The FullScreen stays invisible in foreground when I switch to different SPACES actually in the "background"? And when I come back to Aperture the FullScreen window is still invisible on top but now the filmstrip is told to show up!
And Apple has just overseen this!
To the inconsistence of the bug:
If you follow my description in the opening post you should get the FilmStrip ALL the time. Just assign Aperture to a certain space in the SystemPreferences/SPACES. Open 1 pic in FullScreenMode. Before you leave Aperture for another SPACE hit <F> to return to NormalView in Aperture. Being in that view you can easily switch spaces using the dock! You only need to have another app running assigned to a different SPACE. The only way to avoid the lonely filmstrip is NOT to use FullScreenMode after starting up Aperture, AFAIK.
I agree with your last lines: Apple will solve this and it shouldn't be too complicated. It just has to be done.
Best, Uli
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 9, 2007 12:24 PM
in response to: Padriac
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I found that if I'm in one space with Aperture in another, and i click on Aperture in the dock or CMD + TAB to select aperture, the filmstrip shows, but if i just select the space with the shortcut or the spaces screen, the filmstrip doesn't show up. But it's still annoying.
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 9, 2007 1:15 PM
in response to: Isaac D. Cady
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Isaac,
now I'm curious:
What happens if you switch to Aperture with keyboard shortcuts and THEN move your mouse a millimeter?
Uli
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Re: Full Screen Mode and SPACES problem
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Nov 16, 2007 7:28 AM
in response to: UliK
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My experience mirrors Issac's. Using the Control + number hotkey to switch between spaces prevents the blank filmstrip from showing up. Using the Dock, App Switcher or the Spaces pulldown menu triggers the bug.
The previous discussion about Spaces seeing Aperture's normal and full screen modes as different doesn't seem to apply to my situation. When I hit F8 to show all Spaces at once, Aperture is always in the same space, regardless of which mode I'm in.
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