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by: scottmd06
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What the beep?!
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Nov 28, 2007 12:52 AM
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I purchased a used iMac that has the 4mb video ram taken out and no memory installed. When trying to power on, the led power light becomes orange and the speakers give 1 really short beep and then 3 slightly longer beeps. Would the lack of hardware be the cause of this or can there be more issues to expect after I install the video ram and memory I just ordered online? Thanks!
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 28, 2007 3:06 AM
in response to: scottmd06
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Some Macs give a different startup chime if there is a hardware problem such as missing or mis-seated RAM: this may very well be the cause of your effect and very possibly reinstating the missing hardware will deal with it.
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 28, 2007 5:22 AM
in response to: scottmd06
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Thanks Roger. I had an interesting turn of events last night while looking for more upgrade options on eBay. I actually stumbled across the iMac G3/350 for near to nothing and ordered it as well. I'm hoping to have both up and running but the girlfriend wants the Strawberry G3/266 to go back to the thrift shop =(
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 28, 2007 9:16 AM
in response to: scottmd06
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Well the 350 is a better machine, faster, easy to get RAM (PC100) for but still lacks firewire. A 400 or 500 logic board is easily swapped into it no mods necessary. A 600 and 700 will fit but requires mods to the heat sink.
Beeps there is an explanation:
Error Beeps
If you hear from one to five error beeps at startup with no boot
chime, you have a hardware problem.
1 Do you hear one error beep at startup?
Yes
: Follow these steps to resolve the problem:
- Reseat the SDRAM and try again
- If no SDRAM is present, install a known-good SDRAM SODIMM
in the top slot and try again.
- If DRAM is present, replace it (one DIMM at a time,
starting with the top DIMM slot) with a known-good
SDRAM SO-DIMM.
No
: Go to next step.
2 Incompatible RAM is installed. Do you hear two error beeps
at startup?
Yes
: Verify that only SDRAM SO-DIMMs are installed and not
EDO memory. (The iMac ships with SDRAM SO- DIMM memory
and is not compatible with EDO DIMMs.)
No
: Go to next step.
3 Bad RAM. Do you hear three error beeps at startup?
Yes: Replace the existing SDRAM one DIMM at a time (starting
with the top DIMM slot) with known-good SDRAM SO-DIMMs.
No: Go to next step.
4 Bad ROM.
5 Do you hear four or five error beeps at startup?
Yes: Follow these steps to resolve the problem:
- Reseat the processor module and try again.
- Replace the processor module and try again.
- Replace the logic board."
Richard
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 28, 2007 12:06 PM
in response to: scottmd06
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...and no memory installed.
Three beeps = no good memory banks installed:http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58442Whislt we can't gurantee against other issues (I'd be suspicious why an iMac is being sold in this state) but installing some RAM will help! cheers mrtotes
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 28, 2007 12:08 PM
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Thanks again for all the help. Unfortunately I don't have any ram modules to try in the 266 machine until my order on eBay comes through. The cool thing about the 350 is that I have quite a few PC100 modules and PC133 modules laying around from all of the PCs I've owned over the years. I want to be careful with the mac though. I know it deserves the best stuff I'll be able to find. Thanks everyone!
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 28, 2007 1:50 PM
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I would like to upgrade the HD in the 350 to a 120gig very soon. Does anyone have any brands or models to recommend for an Apple compatible 120gig HD?
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 29, 2007 9:47 AM
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Just make sure its 5400 rpm ATA drive, not SATA drive for that model. That model of iMac I Believe can only see up to 120 gb of HD space. It's been awhile since I have worked with these kids. I had a SeaGate 120 gb HD in one of my old iMacs and it died after a year. So, I don't know if I could recommend one of those. I would do a bit of research on different hd's. Or you could always do an external hard drive and boot the iMac with that. Putting in a hard drive in these Macs can be a bit tricky I Have swapped out hard drives in these several times and its not much fun. I bought a Apple Tech Manual CD on ebay and it showed me step by step instructions with great pics. Good Luck and enjoy the new 350 iMac. Those were great computers. Are you going to install Panther on it? If so, it can run Panther with 256 mbs of RAM, but I recommend upgrading to 512 mb for better performance.
Good Luck and hope I could help you out some,
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 29, 2007 8:27 PM
in response to: Rachyl
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I have read in these forums that a new 7200rpm drive is ok in the slot loaders. The first 7200rpm models ran hot, but the latest have cooled down.
I have an external harddrive enclosure. I had my 160gig drive in the enclosure for a half an hour. After this time, it was a bit warm. I replaced this drive with original 40gig iMac drive. I copied my startup folder. There was a tad bit of warmth.
I figure the longer the warranty on the drive, the better the drive.
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Re: What the beep?!
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Nov 29, 2007 11:45 PM
in response to: scottmd06
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The person I purchased the 350 from has it upgraded to OS-X but I'm not sure which version. I have no OS CDs to install if the machine dies either. I read that the machine can be upgraded to 1024mb of RAM with OS-X on it. I've been trying to find a CD/DVD-RW drive to replace the CD-ROM with (it's a slot-loader). I'm waiting on the VRAM and PC66 DIMM to install for the 266 I found at my local Savers for $30. I want to upgrade that one with 512mb RAM and find a CD/DVD-RW to install for that one as well (tray-loader).. Any suggestions for me? These are my first macs!!!
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Re: What the beep?!
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Dec 3, 2007 7:42 AM
in response to: scottmd06
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Perhaps I'm getting confused here but the RAM used in the 350MHz iMac and 266MHz iMac is different. Neither machine will burn DVD video discs but you'll be okay burning DVD data discs if you have at least 5Gb free hard disk space. To check which version of OS X you have go to menu > About This Mac. iMac G3 350MHz There are several upgrades you can do on the iMac 350MHz including: 1. 1024Mb of RAM: Prices.Instructions.2. 120GB hard drive. You can 'see' up to 128GB of a hard drive due to the addressing limitations on the ATA33 bus. You can use a 3.5" ATA33, ATA66, ATA100 or ATA133 drive (aka IDE) but not an SATA drive. The original drive will be 5,400rpm for extra speed go for a 7,200rpm drive. Some websites warn against 7,200 drives but modern drives are so much cooler this no longer applies. Actually I've had a 7,200rpm drive in my iMac 400MHz for about 4 years now. Fitting Instructions.3. Optical drive. As I've mentioned you can't hope to ever burn DVD video discs on a 350MHz G3 but have a read of the upgrade reports on the xlr8yourmac drive database (link) 4. Mac OS X. If you upgrade the OS X version you must ensure the iMac is booted into OS 9 first and the firmware updated to version 4.1.9 (link). iMacs without Firewire officially max out at 10.3.9 but will likely support up to 10.4.11, if you have enough RAM and hard disk and if you use XPostFacto (link). iMac G3 266MHz There are several upgrades you can do on the iMac 266MHz including: 1. Up to 512MB of RAM: Prices.Instructions.2. Up to 120GB hard drive. You can 'see' up to 128GB of a hard drive due to the addressing limitations on the ATA33 bus. You can use a 3.5" ATA33, ATA66, ATA100 or ATA133 drive (aka IDE) but not an SATA drive. Fitting Instructions. I've not owned a tray-loader so can't give any experience here.3. Video RAM. The maximum VRAM is 6MB. Search ebay or google for the module required. 4. Optical drive. I think you'll struggle to find a suitable fitting optical drive upgrade. 5. Mac OS X. If you upgrade the OS X version you must ensure the iMac is booted into OS 8 or 9 first and the firmware updated to version 1.2 (link). iMacs without Firewire officially max out at 10.3.9 but will likely support up to 10.4.11, if you have enough RAM and hard disk and if you use XPostFacto (link) Panther may well be more comfortable on this machine though. I certainly notice that under Tiger some graphical effects are missing on my 1GHz G4 Powerbook compared to the 1.25GHz G4 iMac. cheers mrtotes
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Re: What the beep?!
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Dec 4, 2007 1:10 AM
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Yea, the 266 takes PC66 laptop memory and the 350 takes good ol' PC100.. I've got both ready to go. I'm going to purchase a 333mhz CPU board to replace the 266 and solve the bad rom issue. WOOOO!!!! Can the 350 board be upgraded? How recent?
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Re: What the beep?!
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Dec 4, 2007 9:13 AM
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Hey Scott,
Can the 350 board be upgraded? How recent?
Well I've done this a lot since the 350 doesn't have firewire.
A 400 board is an easy simple drop in and there's a lot of these around.
I think the 500 is also but never done that.
The 600 and 700 will also use the same screw mounting points but the heat sinks are in a different place. So that definitely needs to be addressed or the CPU will be damaged or at the least shut down due to overheating.
Larry? did this a while back and I helped him. I think the discussion was "logic board swap"
Richard
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Re: What the beep?!
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Dec 5, 2007 5:04 PM
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I am now posting to all of you from my iMac G3/350mhz Blueberry Slotloader!!! I gotta say it doesn't run all that bad... I notice a little lag while loading pages but I was able to plug my router right in and get online, go straight to MySpace and listen to some music, and best of all I can now browse the net safe from spyware!!! In a few months I will probably upgrade to a 400mhz logic board and get the RAM up to max as well as get my non-working 266mhz Strawberry up to speed with a 333mhz logic board and proper RAM. Until then I will talk to you guys later. You can reach me on aim with the same screen name. Thanks again for all the tremendous help!
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