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Kenneth Gantz


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Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 2:16 PM
 

Finally got my iPhone and macs all upgraded and running MobileMe. Looking around on the web portion of MobileMe, I noticed that the only actions that are encrypted are the login and the user's account page. Mail does not seem to be encrypted at all. I can't switch from GMail to MobileMe if my email is just going to be hanging out there in the clear for everyone (by "everyone" I mean evil network admins with nosey sniffers) to read.

Perhaps email and the other apps will be "secured" once the load dies down? If not, what good is this?

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trurl

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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 3:06 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
Helpful

Yeah, same problem here.You can change http:// to https:// manually,
but the certificate seems to be invalid (host name mismatch).

Thats not acceptable.

have fun,
trurl

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PRonMBP15

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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 3:28 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

This is terribly insecure! Unacceptable. All contact data is unencrypted too! So any private notes that you might have about yourself or a contact are sent in the clear too! I never expected that these notes would be sent in the clear. Does anyone else ever private data in a contact note? Surprised to see it synched in the clear?! Are iDisk file transfers sent in the clear too?! Looks like it to me. BTW, I just realized that Yahoo contacts are just as insecure.

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ianna

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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 3:38 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

I am just adding my support for a general ***? No https equals no security. Hello Apple. You want to become our digital hub? Give us SECURITY.

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Fweddy

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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 3:45 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

Typical Apple, rushing products to market months before they're ready. Its all about the dollars.

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TechPR

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From: San Juan, Puerto Rico
Registered: Jun 13, 2007
Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 4:31 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

I saw this http only issue on the June presentation and I asked myself "Why no https?". I cannot use the web part of MobileMe until Apple fix this with a persistent https connection.

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Jorge Williams

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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 5:15 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

Actually if you look at the login form, authentication is going through a secure channel:

https://auth.apple.com/authenticate

so while your whole session isn't being encrypted (and someone could intercept your e-mails for example) your credentials (user name and password) are not going through in the clear and should be secure. This makes some sense since (unless you're using PGP or something) it's impossible to encrypt your e-mail completely from sender to recipient.

You can still access your iDisk through https as well, though not through the web interface. If you're worried about iDisk access you can go through:

davs://username@idisk.mac.com/username or...
https://username@idisk.mac.com/username

If you're worried about accessing contacts or pictures through a secure channel, hmmm .. I guess you're out of luck(?)

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OSXAlex


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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 5:22 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

Add me to the list requesting encryption for the entire MobileMe session.

I guess you could argue that email is open, but the information in my calendars & contacts - and the list of contacts themselves - may contain confidential, sensitive information... I can't really use the web interface without a secure connection.

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Kenneth Gantz


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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 12, 2008 5:21 AM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

Something interesting that I just noticed.. In the "Getting Started With MobileMe" video, all of the parts of the video that show the browser address bar on the Vista PC screen, show the URL starting with https:, no matter what part of the site is being shown. However, the parts of the video that show the browser address bar in Safari, show a plain old unencrypted (http:) connection. I assume this means that encryption will eventually be available, but it's disturbing that only the PC screenshots show it in the video.

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markyboy-UK


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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 12, 2008 5:57 AM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

Isn't it more likely Apple setup a secure preview of the whole system in order to make the intro-video? You know how obsessed they are with secrecy...

On the other hand Apple have had encrypted logins to .mac forever and it's never used standard https access, they had a graphic on the page to inform you it was encrypted but they were actually using some kind of data 'tunnel' not standard https protocols. It may be true in this new interface too - but I certainly agree that Apple need to make this clear one way or the other.

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TechPR

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From: San Juan, Puerto Rico
Registered: Jun 13, 2007
Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 12:23 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

This must be fixed!!!!
I'm not clicking on the Contacts icon until this is fixed.

Apple please, persistent SSL connection on all parts on the me.com Website.

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daj_uk


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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 12:31 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

I was slightly disappointed that there is no encryption beyond login, but just to put this into context....gmail, hotmail and yahoo do not encrypt either (paid or free services)

I wonder why it is not offered -- perhaps too great an overhead on the server? Anyone know?

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TechPR

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From: San Juan, Puerto Rico
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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 12:40 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

GMail has persistent SSL connection for long time.

https://mail.google.com and you will be secure all the time.

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J. Mills

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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 12:56 PM   in response to: Kenneth Gantz
 

I received this from support when I asked for secure access to webmail:

I understand you have questions about the security of the MobileMe service. I will be happy to describe some of the ways that MobileMe helps to protect the security of your data.

MOBILEME SITE

When you type your MobileMe member name and password in the MobileMe login page and click Login, your information is sent to Apple using secured 128-bit Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) encryption. This is true even though the MobileMe login page doesn't have the symbols that typically denote a secure connection.

In the account settings area of MobileMe, all of the pages that contain your personal information, billing information, credit card information, and so on are all encrypted as well.

MOBILEME MAIL

As with the rest of the MobileMe site, the login page for MobileMe Mail is encrypted. The messages you read or send are not encrypted, however.

If you change the beginning of the address of the MobileMe Mail from "http://" to "https://", you may notice that your browser now displays a lock icon. This does not make your connection any more or any less secure, however.

MAIL CLIENT ACCESS TO MOBILEME

The MobileMe mail servers support SSL connections. Many mail programs support this option as well. If you use the Mac OS X Mail program with your MobileMe account, you can enable SSL connections for both sending and receiving messages as follows:

1. In Mail, choose Preferences from the Mail menu.
2. Click Accounts, and highlight your MobileMe account.
3. Under Account Information, click Server Settings, and select Use Secure Sockets Layer (SSL). Click OK.
4. Under Advanced, select Use SSL.
5. Close the Accounts preferences window.

If you use a different email program, consult that program's help menu if you would like more information about how to enable SSL.

Apple and MobileMe do not provide certificates to encrypt specific mail messages. If you wish to get a certificate to use with your email, you can get one from an issuing authority such as Thawte:

http://www.thawte.com

iDISK

When you connect to your iDisk, the authentication of your MobileMe member name and password is done via Digest Authentication. This is a common, secure way to handle authentication for many HTTP-based services (such as webpages) or WebDAV servers (such as iDisk). For more information about Digest Authentication, you can search for the term in your favorite search engine.

Once you are connected to the iDisk and after the authentication process, the actual transfer of data is not encrypted. This includes publishing pages or photocasts with iWeb or iPhoto, using Backup, syncing with iDisk Syncing, publishing calendars with iCal, or simply copying a file manually to your iDisk.

MOBILEME IDISK

When you connect to your iDisk via a browser, the authentication of your MobileMe member name and password is secure (although some browsers may incorrectly indicate that the password is being sent "in the clear"). As with a regular connection to iDisk, once you are connected and authenticated with iDisk on the web, the actual transfer of data is not encrypted.

If you change the beginning of the address of the iDisk on the web from "http://" to "https://", you may notice that your browser now displays a lock icon. This does not make your connection any more or any less secure, however.

MOBILEME SYNC (10.4.10 or later)

All data synced with MobileMe Sync using Mac OS X 10.4.10 or later is encrypted with standard 128-bit encryption during the synchronization process.

WHY ISN'T EVERYTHING ENCRYPTED?

It is not always pertinent to encrypt everything. Depending on the computer you are using, encrypting everything could adversely affect the speed and ease of use. To keep webpages, photocasts, and webmail operating as quickly as possible, Apple encrypts only the information that is necessary to protect your account information and billing information.

WHAT ELSE CAN I DO?

There are several things you can do to help protect your data. Common suggestions include:

1. Keep your software up to date. If you have not done so recently, check Software Update in the Apple Menu for any updates. Be sure to install any available Security or Mac OS X updates. You can set Software Update in your System Preferences to check for new and updated software automatically.

2. Keep your MobileMe password secure. Your data, even if it is completely encrypted, is only as secure as your password. For more information, please see:

Protecting your MobileMe password
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303904

3. Create an encrypted disk image. Mac OS X allows you to create encrypted disk images in which to store particularly sensitive files or folders. For more information, please see:

Disk Utility 10.5 Help (Mac OS X 10.4): Creating a disk image
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=DiskUtility/10.5/en/duh3.html

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you. You may receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would be greatly appreciated.



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TechPR

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From: San Juan, Puerto Rico
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Re: Am I wrong, or is there no encryption..?
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 1:31 PM   in response to: J. Mills
 

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MOBILEME MAIL

As with the rest of the MobileMe site, the login page for MobileMe Mail is encrypted. The messages you read or send are not encrypted, however.

If you change the beginning of the address of the MobileMe Mail from "http://" to "https://", you may notice that your browser now displays a lock icon. This does not make your connection any more or any less secure, however.
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changing the http to https does not work, page not found.

https://www.me.com

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