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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Oct 30, 2008 7:44 AM
in response to: capaho
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Does that mean you can only buy matte screen LCD displays now and nothing else?
Seems rather absurd if that's the case.
I personally can buy whatever I want. If I buy business computers for work, I have to buy anti-glare displays if the computer will be used for more than 4 hours a day by the same person. Or I have to make sure that there's no glare on the display by changing the lighting etc. so that it allows for a glare-free environment. Which, unfortunately, is impossible in most cases.
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Oct 30, 2008 7:57 AM
in response to: dakis
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Have you ever seen a glass screen on a computer screen (laptop or standalone) before (except for CRTs, of course)?
Yes, I had a Fujitsu notebook several years ago with a glossy screen, the new MBPs are certainly not the first to have them. Glossy screens are more popular than matte in Japan and all of the Japanese computer makers sell desktops and notebooks with them for the Japanese domestic market. Glossy screen LCD displays have been around for several years there. Computers with glossy screens may be a new phenomenon in the U.S. and Europe, but they're not new.
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Oct 30, 2008 2:48 PM
in response to: Tehsuede
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CRT screens always had an anti-glare, non-reflective coating on them - so the problem with the glossy, glass Mac screens is far worse than CRT. Also, most CRT screens had a slight curvature to the surface which further reduced any capacity to mirror the surroundings.
Several posts in this discussion have suggested a matte film adhered to the glossy surface will solve the problem - and point to such films recommended for this. However, these matte films are designed for non-glass (ie: plastic-coated) glossy screens where they can be placed directly in front of the actual LCD surface. Apple's new range of iMacs and laptops will not be able to use these films because the thickness of the glass will create a gap of several millimetres between the film and the actual LCD surface... this will result in a fogging of the screen image. The same result will apply to replacing the glossy glass with a matte glass - which is likely to be the main reason Apple don't off this option.
The fact is, the reason Apple use these screens is not because they improve viewing quality but because of the structural properties of the material. Both the iMacs and the Mac laptops depend on the strength of the glass to hold the overall item together. It seems pretty obvious that Apple decided the overall degradation in viewing quality was worth losing for the benefits of implementing the structural properties of glass. For this reason, it seems highly unlikely that Apple will be able to offer a matte version of its current designs - even if it wished to, or in response to the significant demand from the public. In my professional opinion, this represents 'form' taking precedence over 'function' which is an acknowledged mistake in product design.
Like most people, I work eight hours on my computer in a neutrally lit office. Like most offices, lighting conditions change through the day - in terms of the direction/brightness of sunlight, background activity, and the use of artificial lighting in gloomy conditions and in the evenings etc. Having used a colleagues glossy-screen laptop in my office and tested Mac glossy screens in various angles and positions in the Apple store, I can say it is impossible to me to use these products. Quite apart from the obvious health issues involved in long-term exposure, the distracting reflections simply would interfere with my concentration on my work.
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Nov 9, 2008 10:50 PM
in response to: capaho
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"In the case of an MBP, it's a laptop, after all, how hard can it be to change its position relative to the lighting?"
When I use my laptop on a desk I always use it with the lid closed and connected to a large matte display.
The laptop screen is for when I'm NOT at my desk. I use it on a train for two hours every day for example. It's not that easy to adjust a glossy screen for reflections when sitting by a window and the train is moving.
It is very simple really: I will not buy a laptop with a reflective display.
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Nov 10, 2008 8:06 AM
in response to: Andor72
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Sticking on an anti-glare film is one thing, but replacing Apple's glass screen with an aftermarket one would probably void the warranty.
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Nov 11, 2008 5:41 AM
in response to: Andor72
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Cool! Yes, I would pay for replaced glass cover with less reflections. Anyone listening? 
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Nov 11, 2008 10:37 AM
in response to: Tehsuede
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I would pay for it too. It would be interesting what is behind the glass. In the video it looks like a normal matte lcd panel. This would give us the possibility to remove the glass completely and replace it with a small aluminium frame, so it looks like the early 2008 MBP. The problems with the display hinges would be fixed, too.
Of course it is possible that the warranty becomes void.
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Jan 9, 2009 2:46 AM
in response to: Tehsuede
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Not really answered, but I think the subject is dead.
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Re: MBP display and Swedish law
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Jan 13, 2009 1:03 AM
in response to: Tehsuede
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yes, because everyone's given up. I personally switched back to Windows because of this. I don't love Windows but I really don't have a problem getting my job done with it.
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