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Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 8:47 PM
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Hi,
I'm just wondering what happens to Tiger on your Mac when you install Leopard? Does Leopard override it or is it still there to use?
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 8:51 PM
in response to: spiralgirl
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The only way to maintaine Tiger is to install Leopard on a different partition or a different hard drive.
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 8:53 PM
in response to: spiralgirl
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If you upgrade, you lose Tiger
If you do an archive and install, you keep it inside an archive folder.
If you do an erase and install - Tiger is also gone.
Whatever you do, back Tiger up anyway to an external HD, unless there is nothing of value on your Tiger install.
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 9:02 PM
in response to: nerowolfe
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If you do an archive and install, you keep it inside an archive folder.
According to Apple there is no way to use a System after it has been placed in the Previous System folder.
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 9:09 PM
in response to: David.Austin.Al...
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If you do an archive and install, you keep it inside an archive folder.
According to Apple there is no way to use a System after it has been placed in the Previous System folder.
Where did you read that? It's not true.
You cannot boot from it, but it contains the existing system files which can be made into a bootable system, if necessary.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301270
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 9:31 PM
in response to: nerowolfe
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About Archive and Install
Available in Mac OS X 10.2 and later, an Archive and Install installation automatically moves existing system files to a folder named Previous System, then installs Mac OS X again. (See tip 3.) You cannot start up your computer using a Previous System folder, nor can you "re-bless" the Previous System folder.
From the article Mac OS X: About the Archive and Install feature available in Mac Help from the Finder Help menu.
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 9:38 PM
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About Archive and Install
Available in Mac OS X 10.2 and later, an Archive and Install installation automatically moves existing system files to a folder named Previous System, then installs Mac OS X again. (See tip 3.) You cannot start up your computer using a Previous System folder, nor can you "re-bless" the Previous System folder.
From the article Mac OS X: About the Archive and Install feature available in Mac Help from the Finder Help menu.
So you can't rebless it?
http://www.mug.jhmi.edu/mirrors/infoalley/1095/16/system7x.html
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 9:50 PM
in response to: nerowolfe
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This is a childish game you are playing that does nothing to assist Spiralgirl in her OP. Certainly not by referring us to an article that concerns a Mac OS that has been obsolete for more than 10 years, and is totally unrelated to Mac OS X and its UNIX underpinnings.
In an Archive and Install the Previous System if now missing key aspects of its original state which were retained and incorporated into the new system that was installed. The only purpose served by a Previous System is it is available for fishing out 3rd party plugins and such.
Pardon the side track issues Spiralgirl. I stand by my original post.
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Re: Installng Leopard?
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Nov 11, 2007 10:21 PM
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Thank you both for your help. How do you partition your hard drive?
S.
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Partitioning a HD
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Nov 11, 2007 11:17 PM
in response to: spiralgirl
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First, if you just want to install Leopard you can do a clean install or upgrade. It has been my experience that the upgrade works fine, but others swear that a clean install is the way to go. The advantage of a clean install is that it gets rid of all the garbage that has accumulated over months or years. The disadvantage is that you have to reinstall all your software. Either way, some of your 3 party software may not run on Leopard.
Please tell me if you want to partition your hard drive, or an external HD. If the latter, do you want a bootable copy of Tiger on the external hard drive? Do you have an Intel based Mac?
If you just want to install Leopard and your current hard drive is not partitioned there is no need to partition it. Just stick in the Leopard disc and go with the upgrade. If you want to do a clean install choose this option when you install Leopard.
This information will save me a lot of time typing instructions.
I would recommend that you get an external HD if you don't already have one so you can take advantage of Time Machine. I personally prefer the LaCie 500 GB d2 Quadra, but that's your choice.
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Re: Partitioning a HD
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Nov 12, 2007 12:16 PM
in response to: freighterman
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frieghterman,
Hi, thanks for your help. I'd like to install Leopard but be able to go back to Tiger if I have problems or if some apps don't work for me. At this point I don't have an external hard drive but am considering the exact LaCie one you mentioned, I'm asking for one as a Christmas gift. Is it pretty quiet?
I'm on an 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM so right now I'd like to partition the drive so I can go back to Tiger. How many GB should I have free for the partition?
S.
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Re: Partitioning a HD
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Nov 12, 2007 12:24 PM
in response to: spiralgirl
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I have the LaCie 500 d2 quadra and it's very quiet. It has a three-position switch - Off/On/Automatic
and on automatic it rarely runs unless I actually access it or if TM accesses it. I got mine through Amazon.
If you wait for Christmas before installing Leopard you can use superduper, a freee cloning software to make your Tiger on the external drive bootable and usable as an OS anytime you wish.
Partition the drive so that the smaller part is big enough for your Tiger clone.
If you right-click on your desktop icon Macintosh HD and select Get Info you will see how much space is actually used by Tiger. Make the first partition 50% bigger for growth.
The remaining partition will be over 300G which is fine for TM.
If you use superduper, I believe it automatically makes the clone partition a journaled volume which you want, since you will be running Tiger from it.
The TM partition can just be the usual HFS+.
I would most strongly suggest waiting until you have the external drive and a backup before installing Leopard.
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Re: Partitioning a HD
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Nov 12, 2007 12:33 PM
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nerowolfe,
Thanks, I only have like 25 GB of space free so yes will definitely wait for the external drive. I appreciate the advice on the LaCie brand too as I've been told that it's great by some users and horrible by others. Some say Seagate is better and then I also hear great things about ones from OWC too so I've held off. The thing is I can get LaCie local so it's easier for me.
What does TM mean, you referred to it a few times?
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Re: Partitioning a HD and La Cie External HD
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Nov 12, 2007 3:02 PM
in response to: spiralgirl
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spiralgirl,
A word about the La Cie 500 GB d2 quadra.
My drive came formated HFS+ (Mac OS Extended (Journaled) so all I had to do was to make 2 partitions, one for Tiger and the other for Leopard's Time Machine. I used Carbon Copy Copier to make a bootable copy of Tiger on the external drive. You could also use Super Duper. Use either of these programs after making your partitions.
The La Cie drive supports USB, FireWire 400 and 800 and eSATA connections. It comes with connector cables for each of these connection modes. It has a base stand. It is very quiet. The La Cie drive has three modes. Of, on and sleep so it will automatically go to sleep when you sleep your hard drive.
To make partitions you use the Leopard's disk Utility. Take a peek at it in Tiger (it's the same) and read the help files about how to use it so you will be ready when you get your new drive.
With your machine the partition scheme you want to use for both partitions is called G.U.I.D.(the other choices in Disk Utility are call Apple and DOS FAT 32, do not use these options as you have an Intel base Mac) This will allow you to boot to Tiger via the "select disk" option in the Preference pane.
One thing that has caused people problems with Time Machine is the failure to make sure that the name of your computer, that is the name you used when you installed Leopard, appears in the "Share" option in the Preference pane. If it is not the same your computer will be unable to communicate with your external drive and Time Machine backups will fail. Never change this name.
BTW, I have called one partition Tiger and the other Leopard. This will give two desktop icons. The Leopard icon will be green with the Time Machine logo. The Tiger icon will be yellow with a "Y". They will appear at start up if your external drive is turned on. If at any time you want to turn off your external drive, but want to continue using Leopard, simply unmount them with a right click of your mouse. If you turn of your computer they will unmount automatically. If you just turn off you external drive without unmounting the drives you run the risk of corrupting data on your external drive. You can change the names of your external partitions on your desktop after your external drive is working.
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Re: Partitioning a HD
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Nov 12, 2007 3:14 PM
in response to: spiralgirl
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TM = TIme Machine.
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