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by: ericmeyers
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is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leopard?
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Nov 25, 2007 10:48 AM
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I know there are tons of posts on this already but this is ridiculous people.
It is NOT router problems. It is NOT DNS issues. It is NOT a problem that coincidently everyone is having. This IS a leopard problem and its very frustrating. My internet has been moving at a snails pace ever since I upgraded to Leopard as is a ton of other people's. Is apple going to address this issue? This renders my computer and day to day almost completely useless.
Very frustrated. Very.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 10:59 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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Can you be more specific? It's impossible to tell from your post what the problem is exactly? If you've been contributing to a thread about the topic can you refer us to it?
I can reassure you that it IS possible to have excellent Leopard network performance, so let's see what we can do to help.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 11:02 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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There is a DNS issue - that is very real.
Switching DNS values does resolve performance for many - it certainly did for me.
That's more an issue with out of date DNS Servers running on the internet though.
There seems to be a problem with some wireless connections be it WEP or an inability to keep or get a high rate connection. However, it is distinctly NOT a universal issue - I am on wireless-N and depending where I am in the house see rates between 105 and 130 - even when 5 other wireless devices are online.
I can't speak to WEP - I refuse to use such a hackable protocol - but there are often individual circumstances behind problems.
In another thread - people are claiming Leopard is crippling their battery life - after much discussion - for some the issue is printjobmgr running constantly.
It is also not fair to judge the overall Leopard experience from these forums - they are by their very nature - populated by people with problems.
Now, if you are having a particular problem - post some details and maybe some of us might be able to help you.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 11:11 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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Certainly the DNS problem is real and the work around is very simple - if that is you problem you can solve it in a minute - IF YOU TRY
Can you give more specific symptoms of your problem and what you have tried to fix it
Larry Nebel
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leopard?
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Nov 25, 2007 11:19 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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My apologies for the lack of info. Just very frustrated. To be honsest I cant think of much to say since nothing has been changed since Tiger other than the leopard upgrade. I used to get great speeds with tiger. Top speeds. I get very weiry when something like this happens and I have to go in and change settings and whatnot to accommodate when everything should be the way it was when i had Tiger. I get the strange feeling that I am only covering the problem and temporarily kind of/sort of fixing it rather than fixing it 100% and never having to worry about it again. you know?
That said I use a Linksys Wireless G Broadband Router. Model # WRT54G
As soon as I upgraded to Leopard and restarted I noticed my signal bar at the top only just barely showing 2 bars when usually it was full with Tiger. Using the internet is much like using it with a phone line modem. Possibly slower. Also oddly enough my other mac with Tiger installed has noticeably slowed down since the upgrade on the other computer as well. Could this be related?
I would be glad to answer any questions/spec questions/technical questions etc...
id also be glad to try anything that may help/fix this issue but again im afraid this is a Leopard update fix rather than a 'go in and mess with all of your settings' fix. Unless you can offer a reason as to why such a thing would have to be done after there was no issues before with Tiger.
I'm open for anything.
Thanks all
Cheers 
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 11:29 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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That said I use a Linksys Wireless G Broadband Router. Model # WRT54G
Have you checked that you are using the latest firmware for that router? Check at the Linksys website.
As soon as I upgraded to Leopard and restarted I noticed my signal bar at the top only just barely showing 2 bars when usually it was full with Tiger. Using the internet is much like using it with a phone line modem. Possibly slower.
So just to be clear - you are connecting your Powermac to your router via wireless rather than wired ethernet? You could try running an ethernet cable from the Powermac to your router - it would tell us a lot if the performance was different in that case. To ensure that the computer actually uses that ethernet cable, turn off your Airport.
Also oddly enough my other mac with Tiger installed has noticeably slowed down since the upgrade on the other computer as well. Could this be related?
Yes, it's possible they are related issues.
Unless you can offer a reason as to why such a thing would have to be done after there was no issues before with Tiger.
Leopard is a radically revised version of OSX, featuring a huge number of new technologies under the hood that are not really visible without digging. It looks similar at the user-end, but features many new technologies that will have to settle in for a bit. Upgrading your computer to a new OS is likely to have wide-ranging effects on MANY things, and they can manifest themselves in unusal ways. So - yes, it is indeed possible that Leopard has changed things for you - but it should be possible to resolve.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 11:29 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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Unless you can offer a reason as to why such a thing would have to be done after there was no issues before with Tiger.
The only reason I can think of is to make things work until Apple fixes the underlying problem - that is good enough for me
One starting point would be to download iStumbler and see what your signal strength is and what interference you have - changin gto a different channel could be the answer
Adding better DNS servers could be the answer
Both of these are easy to try and easy to undo if they are not the answer
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 11:30 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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I second this post. The particulars of the OP's issue are neither here nor there. MANY of us are having networking issues. We're experiencing different problems entirely, and if we had a fix available to us, we wouldn't be making these posts. This doesn't need to be rehashed here, as there are pages of troubleshooting posts.
What needs to be said at this point is yes, there are issues, yes they started with 10.5, and yes they still exist. Now it's up to Apple to acknowledge these issues and rewrite their software, drivers, etc. to all work up to spec like they once did under Tiger. Sure, I've had solid connections to Leopard too....for a few hours. I didn't change a thing. Then the issues relapsed, and I had problems again. On two different connections from different providers. I didn't change anything. The new variable? Using Leopard. The single common variable in ALL of our problems? Using Leopard.
If you found a fix, great....please share. Do not assume you found the cure all act like it's the gospel though. It's very frustrating to those of us who are taking your suggestions very seriously, and desperately trying these tricks with no positive results. Thanks.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 11:32 AM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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I just want to point out that there is no huge networking problem in Leopard as compared to Tiger. I have the same Linksys router, have upgraded two Macs (iMac and MacBook, both via Erase and Install), and notice no difference in network speed. However, the MacBook does show only three bars in the menu bar icon whereas it showed four with Tiger. I assume this is an issue of a different scaling for the icon, rather than a real speed difference. The iMac is wired to the router; again no issues.
Since you say that another Mac (with Tiger) is slower also, I think you need to look at other possible explanations such as issues with your router, ISP, or connection.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leopard?
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Nov 25, 2007 12:15 PM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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ok i tried a few things. I went to the linksys site, downloaded the firmware (took forever) and upgraded. That didnt seem to fix the problem. I plugged in directly with the ethernet cable and surprisingly it was still slow. Maybe a tad faster but nothing like i was getting before the leopard upgrade. I highly doubt this has anything to do with my ISP or router as suggested. I had been using the internet literally right before the upgrade and directly after the upgrade and restart the internet and wireless issues began. That would be too much of a coincidence if you ask me.
any other suggestions or questions? I'm desperate here.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 12:19 PM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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I'd try to rule out your internet connection.
Do you have any other computers you can check it out with?
Can you call your ISP to see if the are reporting any problems in your area?
Matt
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 12:26 PM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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I am a new poster on this subject. Just to let you know I have installed Leopard on TWO Macs, an iMac and a MacBook Pro. I do not have this issue. I am connecting by dsl(iMac) and Fios(MBPro), both Verizon. I am either very lucky or this is in fact an isolated incident. Check your connections and networks to mine for comparison to find the anomoly. I did not read your other posts- have you tried to reinstall Leopard?
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 12:32 PM
in response to: jjdog
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I've run leopard two wireless networks and it connect perfectly fine to both of them. I am more inclined to believe problems are due to folks not setting things up right than it being a leopard issue. Perhaps issues such as permissions errors (there are a few in leopard) are making configuration changes not stick, which is causing problems...dunno, but I doubt it's some inability in leopard to network.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 12:54 PM
in response to: wreckthisplace
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I've not heard of any DNS problems on Leopard. So far I've upgraded an iMac, a PowerBook, a Mac Mini, and three different MacBook Pros and I've yet to have anything but minor nuisance issues.
There is a bit of malware that some people have installed (it can't install itself -- it masquerades as a download which offers to install a new video playback codec for Quicktime. In reality it modifies your DNS settings to point your machine to the malware authors rogue DNS servers (which resolves well-known websites with IP addresses that they choose to substitute). If you suspect this, then read this article at Mac OS X Hints which shows how to remove it.
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071031114140862
Incidentally, that first line in the removal instructions has you look for (and remove) /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/plugins.settings If you don't have this file, then you don't have the malware. If you do have this file, then you do have the malware and need to follow the rest of their instructions to remove it.
I'm very suspicious that your machine running Tiger is having the same slow down. This makes me rather skeptical that the slowdown actually has anything to do with the Leopard upgrade itself (unless I'm misunderstanding something).
If you have a regular network cable, you might try to just plug directly into your Linksys router and take the wireless network performance out of the equation.
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Re: is Apple going to fix this HUGE networking and wireless problem in Leop
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Nov 25, 2007 1:31 PM
in response to: Tim Campbell1
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To be clear there is not really a DNS issue within Leopard - but there is in fact a DNS issue when using Leopard. Many users won't see the issue - others will be tremendously impacted - it all depends on which DNS servers you are pointed to.
It's not whether you have DNS entries entered locally - it is which DNS servers you are using.
Leopard has upgraded DNS functionality - which not all DNS servers understand or properly handle.
A detailed explanation can be found here: http://blog.jungledisk.com/2007/10/31/leopard-dns-issues-and-work-around/
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