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by: Glyn Williams1
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802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Jan 30, 2007 3:02 PM
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I wonder if anyone can clear up some confusion to do with the AirPort Extreme 802.11n version.
As the UK version (and other europen countries) 802.11n is crippled (half the speed) due to: " The following countries do not allow wide-channel operation: Austria, Estonia, Germany, Japan, Latvia, Slovakia, Spain, United Kingdom."
http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/
http://www.apple.com/uk/airportextreme/
Are the US and UK/European versions of the AirPort extreme physically any different? Or are they crippled purely in firmware? If this is the case, would it be possible to use a US firmware to get the full speed out of them.
(or, for legal reaons, say I was moving from the UK to the US with my AirPort, could I then use a software/firmware upgrade to get the full 802.11n speeds)
Also, would you need to do the same on the client machines, use the US and not a UK/European 802.11n fix (the one we have to pay for, or get through other means)? Or is it all purely down to the Basestation.
Any ideas anyone?
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Jan 31, 2007 12:48 AM
in response to: Stuartea71
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As far as I am aware it is purely down the base stations.
So with regard to the enabler software it should be completely the same.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Jan 31, 2007 2:45 AM
in response to: OzX
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Thanks for the response. I suspected it would only be one end. So the question is; are the basestations different in hardware or software.
My guess is on software, I can't imagine they'd make different units for just some European countries.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 5, 2007 6:39 PM
in response to: Stuartea71
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Did you get a definitive answer on this?
I live only a couple of hours drive from Italy and CH so maybe I will buy one in an Apple shop there if its hardware crippled.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 3:16 AM
in response to: Victor In Munich
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Nope, sorry. Not heard a thing.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 3:38 AM
in response to: Stuartea71
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Ahem...
In page 22 of the PDF called designing Airport Extreme 802.11n Networks ....
You can see the config box where you ..er.. tell the airport base station which country you are in.... cough. Splutter.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 3:52 AM
in response to: Glyn Williams1
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Oh does it Glyn? shhhhh I didn't hear a thing ; ) *cough*
I did wonder if it could be as simple as something in the AirPort admin software.
That's really leaving it to the honesty of the end user. Still; if they're not aware that such an innocuous setting could be responsible for the speed the base station will run, then you'd not really think twice about being honest.
I suppose there's only one way to find out, and that's if someone out there could test the speed out. (Just looked at the pdf myself and it does look like you can change it easily, of course it doesn't indicate that it'll change the speed.)
Thanks for that.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 4:16 AM
in response to: Stuartea71
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It does not make much sense for Apple to manufacture different units for different territories.
WiFi hardware is restricted in all sorts of ways in different countries.
Typically WiFi hardware has location settings which enable/disable various frequencies & signal strengths.
How you configure your hardware is up to you.
That said, if you have any legacy 802.11g equipment, you can't use it with the fastest configuration.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 4:25 AM
in response to: Glyn Williams1
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Had to ask the question, although I didn't expect them to create different hardware.
I suppose in that case it's leaving the end user to comply with the law, but that's if they're given all the facts. That, setting it the wrong country you would not be complying if you're in the UK. I imagine there must be some further information about this in the box.
I don't have any 802.11g equipment now, the AirPort Express I had blew up, so I'm back to old reliable, my snow base station. Was g crippled in the UK, or are we just talking generally? (I know that you never really get the stated speeds on these things).
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 6:17 AM
in response to: Stuartea71
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Are the US and UK/European versions of the AirPort
extreme physically any different? Or are they
crippled purely in firmware? If this is the case,
would it be possible to use a US firmware to get the
full speed out of them.
Until someone tries we won't know.
Having said that there are differences between the US and UK 802.11g Airport Extreme and Airport Express.
The US version only supports channels 1-11, whilst the UK version supports channels 1-13.
It was not possible (even using the UK firmware updates) to change a US model to support channels 1-13.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 6:22 AM
in response to: iFelix
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Thanks for the reply. So, still can't quite rule out the hardware.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 8:45 AM
in response to: Glyn Williams1
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ahh interesting.
Now Im off to hunt down this PDF...
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 10:39 AM
in response to: iFelix
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Thanks
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Re: 802.11n in the UK/Europe
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Feb 6, 2007 10:56 AM
in response to: Stuartea71
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802.11n is not crippled in Europe, only HT40 (aka 40MHz mode or wide-channels) in the 5GHz band in certain countries which include the following:
Austria, Estonia, Latvia, Slovakia, Spain, United Kingdom, and Germany.
One can still use HT20 in the restricted countries in both bands.
The new AirPort Extreme BaseStation does not support HT40 in the 2.4GHz band due to coexistence with Bluetooth and other 2.4GHz devices.
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