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fix (hack) for 30" Cinema HD display dancing pixels

hi all,

Daniel Hartman seems to have figured out what's wrong with the 30" displays that show dancing pixels (or if he hasn't figured it out, he seems to have found a partial solution.)

Since the find is buried in 200+ posts about the problem, I thought I'd start a new thread to point it out. The whole discussion can be found here, but basically the crux of it is that there's a problem with one DVI channel that can be ameliorated by slightly slowing down the refresh rate. Read the post for more detail, but for those running OS X 10.3 or higher, you can use SwitchRes X to slow down the refresh. Here's how:

Install SwitchRes X, then from the SwitchRes Control Panel (located in System Preferences) click "new..." under resolutions>custom. Modify the vertical scan rate to 58 Hz, and make sure to press tab so that the setting 'takes' (little bug). Then click "OK", followed by "apply" in the control panel. Reboot and you'll have a 58Hz full-resolution setting as an option both from the drop-down SwitchRes menu bar icon, and from the Displays icon in system preferences. If you then decide to remove SwitchRes X (using the unistall option in the installer application), the 58Hz setting stays as an option under System Preferences>Displays.

Bear in mind this is a work-around, not an actual repair. For me this got rid of nearly all the pixel anomalies, but my screen will most likely still be sent in for repair/replacement at some point. But for those who can't live without their screen and need a fix now, this just might be the ticket.

Posted on Aug 30, 2005 8:32 PM

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Oct 15, 2005 2:45 PM in response to Mark Pilkinton

mark,

a couple of thoughts and opinions:

1. the problem appears to be something related to manufacuring and to a specific manufacturing date. those with the dancing pixel seem to have it, those without don't. i've spent a lot of time in forums discussing the issue and have yet to see anyone who developed the problem if they didn't have it when they first got the display (note that heat does play a factor, though, and some displays don't show the problem until they get hot.)

2. apple seems to have figured out how to solve the problem. later displays are no longer showing it, and warantee repairs are getting it fixed. i just got my 30" back today and the dancing pixels are all gone. very few posts are being made anymore to the main thread describing the problem, which tells me that apple is no longer shipping defective units.

to put it succinctly, i'd say get the one with dancing pixels fixed before the warranty runs out and you should be fine with both (at least respect to this problem.) finally, enjoy what must be one **** of a setup.

-gentry

Dec 21, 2005 3:54 PM in response to Lawrence Smith1

If you have dancing pixels, check for an updated driver, whichever card you're using. (I have an ATI card. This worked immediately...)

Put the word "sleep" into the search field.

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894

ATI says: Fixed green pixelation corruption issue after sleep on Apple Cinema HD (DVI). Corruption may occur on a select few X800 XT cards with LCD panels after the system wakes from sleep. The problem primarily affects flat panel displays connected to the card's DVI port. The bug was predominantly reported on the 23" Apple Cinema HD but has also occured on other displays. The update should be (re)applied after other driver and OS updates. Future versions of ATI Driver updates and ATI Displays will include this hotfix.

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NOTE: I just bought my 23" Apple Cinema Display last week (mid December '05). Ditto for the Radeon X800 XT card. The driver that came on the ATI CD was still the old one...even though ATI posted the driver update way back in March.

Dual G5 (first model) Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Dec 21, 2005 4:10 PM in response to Gentry Underwood

ATI posted an update for the driver. They're calling it a Hotfix.

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894

To get it, put the word "sleep" into the search field.

ATI says: Fixed green pixelation corruption issue after sleep on Apple Cinema HD (DVI). Corruption may occur on a select few X800 XT cards with LCD panels after the system wakes from sleep. The problem primarily affects flat panel displays connected to the card's DVI port. The bug was predominantly reported on the 23" Apple Cinema HD but has also occured on other displays. The update should be (re)applied after other driver and OS updates. Future versions of ATI Driver updates and ATI Displays will include this hotfix.

Dec 26, 2005 8:08 PM in response to Gentry Underwood

I get flickering white pixels around small black areas (say a quicktime window with a black image) when my res is at 58Hz. At fullscreen, it looks fine at 58Hz. A white pixel here and there.

When I switch to 60Hz, the situation is reversed. I DONT see pixels in small black areas of the screen like a quicktime window, but I DO see them in fullscreen - a lot, mostly red pixels, no white pixels.

I downloaded all the latest drivers from the ATI site, I've reset the PRAM. Nothing works.

I have a Radeon 9600 Pro in my PowerMacG4 (specifications on side)

Jan 30, 2006 10:24 AM in response to Gentry Underwood

Ok, here's my story:

Bought a 30" Cinema HD from the Apple store in Houston this past saturday, brought it home, hooked it up to my PM dual 2.7ghz with AGP ATI Radeon 9650 and all seemed fine until I viewed something 'black'. Anything black showed rampant dancing pixels, both red and green at different times. I had been running two 20" Dell 2001FP over DVI for the previous 9 months with no problems. I took the monitor back to the Apple store and with the help of one of the guys there set to the task of trying to isolate the problem.

First we hooked up my 'new' monitor to a new dualcore powermac they had in the store (i'm assuming nvidia 6600 card) and it worked fine.. blacks were solid. Then we hooked up a store 30" monitor to my powermac, again, display was fine. Hooked my 30" back to my powermac, and boom, dancing pixels again. For good measure we tried another power mac (different video card) and another 30" monitor with the same results. Only my monitor and my video card caused the problem.

I managed to get a new 30" and exchange my 6 hour old display. This one seemed to work fine with my powermac in the store. I took it home and seemed fine for a day, but then I was messing with an aquarium screensaver that fades the bakground color between blues and blacks, and during the transitions i could see some dancing pixels. Not as bad as before, but definately there.

I found this thread and tried the switchres X hack, but no dice. Even tried the custom settings from further down in the thread, it seemed to make it a bit better, but still have them.

So in summary, this is my second monitor and the monitor does seem to be involved but I don't think it can be the only factor. I think it must be some weird compatability issue with certain cards and certain monitors over the duallink dvi port. As I said I never had this issue with 2 monitors at 1600x1200.

I'm thinking of taking my whole rig back to the apple store next week and seeing if we can try a different video card. At this point i'm even willing to pony up the cash for an alternative card if it will work.

Does anyone else have other suggestions or possible fixes?

Thanks,

Powermac 2.7ghz dual - ati radeon 9650 - 30" cinema hd Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Jan 31, 2006 11:07 AM in response to rhuk

I believe there are (at least) two problems with these monitors. One is the "dancing green pixels" problem. The other is the flashing red or blue short lines on a black background. The first problem exists in many (most or even all?) of these monitors, but it shows up at a different frequency in different monitors. It typically goes away for a while when the monitor is power cycled. The second problem is less prevalent. It seems to appear more in recent production monitors, and it is more disturbing.

I'm not a flat-panel engineer, but my guess is that both problems are caused by signal integrity issues either in the DVI receiver chips, the circuit boards, or internal connectors in the monitor.



Feb 1, 2006 2:02 PM in response to Gentry Underwood

i returned a 30" that had the flickering blue problem.
got a replacement that's been working swell for a few weeks,
and last night the problem started on the replacement.

this time the flickering blue problem is accompanied by a fun new problem : the monitor actually goes black for in instant (it flickers off and on)....It was sporadic last night...but started coming on hot and heavy this morning...rendering the display unusable.

what's odd is the flickering stops once i tell the computer to restart and the screen goes to blue....also there is no flickering when the computer is booting up.

Feb 6, 2006 11:25 AM in response to Gentry Underwood

I have a 30" CD with the dancing green pixel problem The SwitchRes X solution described in the forum worked flawlessly. My question I guess, is if this works, why should I get my monitor fixed by Apple? Other than a warranty issue, which I know I'm better of sending it in, is there an inherent benefit to running this montior at 60 Hz that I should get it fixed right now or could I run at 58 Hz for the rest of this monitor's life cycle and just be happy?

Anyone know the answer to this? I'm not looking for just an "because it's under warranty stupid" kind of answer. I'm looking for a technical answer, why it would benefit me to run "at full speed" so-to-speak and if it hurts the monitor to run at 58 Hz, etc.

Thanks.

fix (hack) for 30" Cinema HD display dancing pixels

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