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Reviving an old battery

Has anyone tried the freezer trick for reviving an old battery? Hack-a-Day featured an article on doing just that some time ago but I don't intend to try it until my PB battery is considerably more worn out.

http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000800056067/

Here's the procedure:

"Battery Revival:
The batteries on laptops are often a problem. Most people sit their laptop on a desk and use AC power, so the battery usually suffers, resulting in a chemical ‘memory’, which gives them a life of about 3 seconds under load. The batteries in my donor laptops were both made in 2000, so I had to try and revive them. If you have any NiCd or NiMH batteries that won’t hold their charge, you can often revive them. This is not a new concept, but here is my recipe for reviving rechargeable batteries:
1. Discharge the battery as much as you can.
2. Place in a sealed plastic bag.
3. Place the bag in your freezer for at least 24hours. Overnight is sometimes enough, but I leave it about a week.
4. Take the bag out of the freezer and leave the battery to return to room temperature. Make sure you wipe off any condensation from the battery contacts before you use it. I just leave them in the sun for a few hours.
5. Fully charge the battery, then run it down again, as low as you can get it. Repeat this charge-discharge cycle a few times, and see if you get a longer life.
Your mileage will vary, but two of my 5-year-old batteries are now useful. I get between 2 and 4 hours from one of them, depending on the load on my laptop. You can do this with cellphone batteries, or batteries from lots of other gear."


I wonder if PowerBook batteries are more sophisticated than most laptop batteries and if this kind of treatment would do more harm than good.

PowerBook G4 15" Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Posted on Dec 7, 2005 2:30 PM

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Dec 7, 2005 6:40 PM in response to AndrewScott

Hi Andrew --

The battery in your PowerBook is a Lithium Ion battery.

The battery revival procedure you posted isn't for lithium ion batteries. In fact, the excerpt from the Hack-A-Day article that you included expressly states that: " If you have any NiCd or NiMH batteries that won’t hold their charge, you can often revive them.

Nickel-cadmium (NiCd) and nickel-metal-hydride (NiMH) batteries are older technologies; this is consistent with the fact that that laptops in the excerpt in your post were made five years ago, in 2000.

I don't know whether this treatment would harm your PowerBook's battery, but since it's not designed for it, I wouldn't experiment. And if I had to guess, based on this Apple page on notebook batteries -- http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html -- and this one on Lithium Ion batteries -- http://www.apple.com/batteries/ -- I would say that the cold may not be the best thing for your battery.

-- JDee

Dec 7, 2005 7:46 PM in response to JDee

JDee,

Thanks for the useful links: very informative. They seem to suggest that; high temperatures are more critically damaging than low temperatures; storage at temperatures below zero should not be harmful. Useful, perhaps for older battery technologies, "Over time, crystals build up in Nickel-based batteries and prevent you from charging them completely", but probably pointless for Lithium Ion.

Thanks for your advice. I think I'll err on the side of caution.

~A



PowerBook G4 15" Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Dec 8, 2005 7:55 AM in response to JDee

Eww, Fosters! Even XXXX or VB are better than those! 🙂

To get back on topic, my month old 15" HD has done the thingy too! I had just gotten home from work, and had been using my lappie off the charger for not even 30 mins when it just dropped into sleep, then deep sleep. Not even a warning! So I plugged it into my charger, and it woke back up fine, and started charging wayyy too rapidly - a percentage point every 10-15 seconds, perhaps. So I fired up coconut Battery, and it said I had a max capacity of 624 mAh. After finding this thread, I did the jiggle trick, but that knocked it down to 573 - I couldn't believe it!

So yeah, I guess I'll need to call Apple in the morning.

Dec 8, 2005 8:32 AM in response to Buthidae

Buthidae --

Sounds like you may be one of what appear to be many DL PB owners who've gotten bad batteries. As you know, those max capacity numbers you reported are seriously low, and totally off the charts for a brand new 'Book.

You're doing the right thing -- call Apple and get them to send you a replacement -- just look through the Power/Battery 15-inch Al 'Book forum and you'll see lots of threads where people are reporting major battery issues in their new PowerBooks. Just keep at 'em until they get it right.

And, in the interim, just keep enjoying the coolest, sleekest, sexiest notebook computer anywhere (imo).

Oh, yeah, and if that Fosters doesn't work for you down there in Perth, maybe a Swan Lager will. Waddya say?

-- JDee

Dec 8, 2005 9:13 AM in response to JDee

Hahah I was initallly going to quote Coopers Pale and Swan Draught, but I thought they wouldn't be well known enough! We'll have to have a drop if you're ever down here!

This is my 3rd AluBook, and until this battery issue, my standout favourite. I just hope, like has been said here, I can get this sorted out easily and quickly!

Dec 8, 2005 9:18 AM in response to Buthidae

A "drop," indeed. Perhaps a bit more. I'll bring a six of Brooklyn Lager or Saranac Pale Ale with me (a local and a regional delicacy (imo)) and we'll have a fine time, guaranteed.

Post back what happens with your battery. I'm hoping, as I'm sure you are, too, that it gets resolved in short order. Let us know how its ultimately resolved.

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