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Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk

191301 Views 194 Replies Latest reply: Jun 12, 2013 1:41 PM by Grant Bennet-Alder RSS
  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,110 points)
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    Sep 1, 2009 9:30 AM (in response to tfjunk)
    Unencumbered by any specific knowledge of UNIX or your setup, this page comes to mind for .pkg files. They are intended for the original and early LaserWriters, but may do most or all of what you want anyway:

    http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/MacOSX/pslevel1
    Beige G3,G3 B+W,G4/867,G4/dual 1.25 MDD, Mac OS 8.6 or Earlier, and 9.2, 10.4 and Server - LW IIg, LW 4/600, ATalk ImageWriter LQ
  • Cayenne6 Calculating status...
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    Sep 1, 2009 9:36 AM (in response to tfjunk)
    tjfunk -

    CUPS will need a PAP to get netatalk to work. Try these instructions. This is how I got Linux to see my Laserwriter 320. The directory structure is different for OS X, but the underlying steps might be the same:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleTalk#AppleTalk%20Printing

    Hope it helps!
    G4 AGP, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
  • LongRiver Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 1, 2009 4:13 PM (in response to Cayenne6)
    This has probably been covered, but I couldn't follow all the technicalities, and would like to be sure:

    Can my Apple LaserWriter 320 be made work with Snow Leopard?

    AppleTalk will be gone, and the AsanteTalk bridge box will be irrelevant, but will there be some other way to connect the LW 320 with a MacBook Pro / Snow Leopard?

    I've continued to use the LW 320 all this time because it's far more solid than any recent printer. It's built to last.

    Thank you.
    MacBook Pro 2.4 gHz Core 2 Duo, 4 gb ram, Mac OSX 10.5.8
  • IronTemple Calculating status...
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    Sep 1, 2009 4:17 PM (in response to davlab)
    This post was helpful, but even after getting my Laserwriter 8500 into my printer list using LPD, I can't get anything to print. The Laserwriter 8500 is networked via ethernet, through a hub, to an Airport Extreme. My Mac Mini and Power Book are both using wireless. Can anyone suggest how to fix this?
    Mac Mini C 2GHz C2D, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • eteen Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Sep 2, 2009 1:31 PM (in response to Matt Wolanski)
    Hi,

    The LN17 is a PCL printer if you do not have the postcript card.

    Use any CUPS driver for a PCL printer and you should be OK. I haven't installed Snow Leopard yet so I can't give you the complete how to.

    HP 5L is a good exemple of printer driver from cups you could use.
    Mac Mini Intel, G4 Quicksilver and others, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
  • Peter Payne Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Sep 2, 2009 7:23 PM (in response to John Galt)
    Wow, useful thread. Thanks all, for the comments and information.

    I am trying to get "old reliable," my Applewriter 4/600, back into life in the age of 10.6. I'm using a Farallon iPrint and honest-to-God PhoneNet cable connecting to the network. Works fine from the 10.5.x machines I am running, but I want to move to 10.6. I will try to see if it will work with LPD but I cannot for the life of me find a way to see the IP of the print server. I tried typing arp -a in terminal and I get a list of what appears to be all my in-use IPs, but it's not there that I can see.

    Can anyone help? Sounds like a golden opportunity for a shareware/commercial software product, an easy to use "fixer" for all us Applewriter using folks.
    Macbook Pro early 2008, Mac OS X (10.6), 6 GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive 7200 RPM
  • Richard Ripley Calculating status...
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    Sep 2, 2009 9:43 PM (in response to Peter Payne)
    I too have a LaserWriter 4/600 PS running fine in 10.5.8 with a Farallon iPrint adapter and PhoneNet cable connected to the network and would really like to find a way to continue using this printer. Sure, it's slow but it works!
    MacPro 2 x 3 Ghx Dual-Core, Mac OS X (10.5.8)
  • IronTemple Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 3, 2009 6:49 AM (in response to IronTemple)
    UPDATE: FYI, when I called Apple Care they had no solution for this. They recommended connecting the printer to a computer running 10.5 or earlier and sharing the printer.
    Mac Mini, Macbook Pro, iPhone, old iMac, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,110 points)
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    Sep 3, 2009 9:59 AM (in response to Richard Ripley)
    These Printers are Postscript level 1 printers that can be identified and used under the Linux-Foundation Postscript level 1 driver. All these printers are AppleTalk/LocalTalk printers.They also need a converter from AppleTalk-over-Ethernet to AppleTalk/LocalTalk to print in Macs without a round serial/LocalTalk port and/or Macs running Mac OS X.

    http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/MacOSX/pslevel1#Printers

    LaserWriter
    LaserWriter Plus
    LaserWriter IINT
    LaserWriter IINTX
    Personal LaserWriter NT

    These are Postscript level 2 printers that do not support LPR/LPD. All these printers are LocalTalk printers. Except for those marked (Ethernet) they also need a converter from AppleTalk-over-Ethernet to AppleTalk/LocalTalk to print from Macs newer than the Beige G3 and with Mac OS X.

    Personal LaserWriter NTR
    Personal LaserWriter 320
    LaserWriter Select 360
    LaserWriter 4/600 PS

    LaserWriter IIf
    LaserWriter IIg (Ethernet)
    LaserWriter Pro 600
    LaserWriter Pro 630 (Ethernet)
    ___

    Since none of the above printers use LPR/LPD, they will not continue to be useable when AppleTalk-over-Ethernet goes away in 10.6. You can postpone that date by keeping one Mac on an older version of Mac OS X.

    If there are other input ports on your printer, it may be useable with a different interface, such as a USB-to-Parallel interface. This would require looking in your printer manual for settings of the switch on the back that change what data types are expected on which ports. (Default output for Mac OS X is Postscript level 2.) Some printers with a parallel port may also accept HP Emulation of PCL, so that a driver for an HP model might be useable with different switch settings.

    The LaserWriter 4/600 has only a LocalTalk port, so If you decide to go ALL 10.6, you will need another printer or to fiddle with a solution like netATalk mentioned above.
    Beige G3,G3 B+W,G4/867,G4/dual 1.25 MDD, Mac OS 8.6 or Earlier, and 9.2, 10.4 and Server - LW IIg, LW 4/600, ATalk ImageWriter LQ
  • dbmacdon Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 6, 2009 8:32 AM (in response to Cayenne6)
    Perhaps Netatalk could be installed to provide AppleTalk over ethernet again. On the other hand, it seems quite daunting... Since the AppleTalk code exists in Leopard, I wonder if it might be possible to use TimeMachine or Pacifist to extract the necessary AppleTalk components from a Leopard install disc and insert them into Leopard?
    iMac core duo 20", Mac OS X (10.5.4), Apple LaserWriter 4/600 PS
  • jrolland Calculating status...
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    Sep 6, 2009 1:18 PM (in response to Cayenne6)
    Could you pretty-please post instructions for using netatalk to print other Unix operating systems? It would be very useful information to have.
    MacBook White 2.4 GHz Intel Core Duo, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Cayenne6 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 6, 2009 2:05 PM (in response to jrolland)
    These are the instructions I used to install to Linux Mint, a Ubuntu/Debian based distribution. I don't know if it would work under redhat distributions:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleTalk#AppleTalk%20Printing
    G4 AGP, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
  • jrolland Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 6, 2009 9:48 PM (in response to Cayenne6)
    Cayenne6,

    Thanks so much! I see now that you had posted them earlier.

    If I could make one more request, could you post where to find the source code (or mayhap even a Snow Leopard binary) of the pap file whose binary is found at <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleTalk?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=p ap>? I would be eternally (or, at least the cost of a new laserwriter :)) grateful!

    Thanks again for the prompt reponse!
    MacBook White 2.4 GHz Intel Core Duo, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Pit29 Calculating status...
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    Sep 7, 2009 2:48 AM (in response to Cayenne6)
    That's what I'm hoping for as well!
    MBP C2D, Mac OS X (10.5.1)
  • Proffles Calculating status...
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    Sep 7, 2009 3:09 AM (in response to jrolland)
    Hello,

    Sorry for butting in but the PAP file linked to might make your browser think it's a binary but it is in fact just a plain text shell script - open it in your favourite text editor to see and change it.

    Wish it would help me, but I can't get netatalk to compile (either through macports or by hand) unfortunately.

    Good luck,

    Proffles
    MBP, Mac OS X (10.6)
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