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Can I go back to OSX 10.5? Snow Leopard is just too buggy to use.

11559 Views 86 Replies Latest reply: Sep 19, 2009 5:49 AM by DGW222 RSS
  • simon gamble Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Yes this is definately not characteristic of snow leopard. Some others may have said (as I havn't read the whole thread) you have installed snow on top of an already corrupt system. A new install always brings problems to the surface.

    You also should ensure you run repair permissions and all scripts plus a hard drive partition scan before upgrading.

    Best thing for anyone in the situation you are in is to do a complete reinstall, then maintain your system and look after it, no dodgy software. Keep your mac healthy and it'll give you no problems, least of all any with snow leopard.

    Only snow leopard glitches are spaces issue with cs3, and a few incompatibility issues. Apart from that its one of apples best upgrades in terms of speed and optimisation.
    Mac Pro 2.8 and MBP 2.6 with 30" ACD's, Mac OS X (10.5.6)
  • Apollo8 Calculating status...
    I wish to reiterate and simplify my problem with the Snow Leopard upgrade.

    If I were updating my Windows machine, I would do all the time-consuming, convoluted ( to me, I understand it's common sense to many on the forum, but since I'm the guy that fixes all of my friends Mac trouble I assure you a great deal of Apple users would press install just as I did )...er...anyway, where was I...yes, convoluted and frustrating preparation for upgrade. But Apple has made it their chief claim that everything just works. If you don't agree, please watch the last two years of ads and any keynote and then get back to me. Because of this I didn't look any farther than the "install" button. I trusted Apple to do it right, and in that I was foolish.

    I'm sure an update will fix this trouble, which will bear out my claim that it's a bug problem, but what this has done is make me think of Apple as just another company that makes computer stuff.

    Caveat emptor!

    I see I reiterated but did not simplify. Sorry about that.
    G5 Dual 2ghz, Mac OS X (10.5.1)
  • Ezzyme Calculating status...
    <Edited by Host>

    10.6.1 has already been released to developers for beta testing:

    "Just six days after the release of Mac OS X Snow Leopard to the general public, Apple has begun extensive testing of the first update amongst the developer community.

    Build 10B503 (a significant step from the shipping 10A403) weighs in at a meagre 71.5MB and features just a handful of changes, affecting connectivity issues with 3G modems, difficulty removing items from the Dock and unresponsive copies of Motion 4.

    Seed notes after the break.


    The 10.6.1 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Snow Leopard and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac, including fixes for:

    compatibility with some Sierra Wireless 3G modems
    an issue that might cause DVD playback to stop unexpectedly
    some printer compatibility drivers not appearing properly in the add printer browser
    an issue that might make it difficult to remove an item from the Dock
    instances where automatic account setup in Mail might not work
    an issue where pressing cmd-opt-t in Mail brings up the special characters menu instead of moving a message
    Motion 4 becoming unresponsive
    More unofficial notes from Mac Rumors forums.

    - Network Diagnostics now offers to remove manually-entered DNS values for DHCP configurations
    - Software Update for printer drivers of Bonjour/USB printers
    - HICocoaView double-redraw during live resize
    - Bluetooth connection to nearby printers on startup
    - libdispatch object use after deallocation
    - Sending of messages with Mail where the SMTP server response has no text
    - Upgraded email accounts and SMTP servers that require authentication on port 587 but not port 25
    - Printer custom keywords added/edited by auto setup tool are now migrated after software update
    - Generic drivers are now visible in printer driver list
    - WWAN devices that use the AppleWWANSupport2 component
    - Updated to Flash 10.0.32.18"

    Stop using these forums to defend Apple or Macs when people have problems! They don't need someone telling them "Everything is perfect your just a whiner," they need help.
    Quad G5 2.5Ghz, 24" 2.4 al iMac, Mac Mini NVIDIA 9400M 256, Mac OS X (10.5.7), Started with the Apple IIc
  • James Schnoor Calculating status...
    I don't think anyone was saying that there wasn't things that needed to be fixed. What' I've been saying is that is it IS working on someones then maybe we can find what's different maybe we can find out what's different.

    There are plenty of people who've had NO problems. I'm one of them. I installed it on three Mac's so far and all of them work like a champ.

    Nobody is saying that you aren't having problems or that something, isn't working. What I'm trying to say is, that there is something between your system and mine that is different. If we can see what tat is then we can do something about it or prove that it is the OS or, disprove it. What if it is something with your system and it doesn't get fixed and things just get worse (Even in 10.5)?

    Just trying to help.

    Peace,
    Iggy
    MacBooK Pro, 17", 2.8Ghz, 4GB, 500GB, Mac OS X (10.6), Mac Mini, 2.0, 2GB, 320GB. G4 DP 867, 2GB, 500GB HDD, Superdrive.
  • Ezzyme Level 1 Level 1 (125 points)
    and Peace to you, Iggy. I have no problems with 10.6 - I haven't upgraded. I was reading this thread to see what might be ahead. I think I'll wait until 10.6.2 is out. Snappy will be good, but the probability no problems will be better. The problem with some 3G modems in particular has me put off as using my computer for sending and receiving faxes is critical for my business. Even a recent update to 10.5 required "receive faxes on this computer" in the preferences to be unchecked before you could send a fax. Thank god that's fixed.

    Lastly, to the person with a problem, the upgrade is 100% bad. Just as to the person who never had a problem, there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the upgrade. The truth that their may be a bug affecting that persons system that Apple will address in a future update as well as the truth that a methodical trial and error might find a user specific problem should always both be held as equal possibilities.
    Quad G5 2.5Ghz, 24" 2.4 al iMac, Mac Mini NVIDIA 9400M 256, Mac OS X (10.5.7), Started with the Apple IIc
  • Roy Pembroke Calculating status...
    James, you mentioned in an earlier post that archiving and installing worked for you. I have some minor problems following the installation of SL which are probably caused by a conflict with some third party software (which I am not clever enough to identify). I opened a new user account and the problem disappeared. A & I may work but there is conflicting advice on the forum. Some say that it is the almost the nuclear option and others say that it is a straightforward option. What is the general opinion on using A & I to clear up these conflicts please?
    iMac Intel, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Vlakjetser Calculating status...
    I dare say a lot more people are experiencing serious performance issues after upgrading to Snow Leopard. I have suddenly been experiencing frequent crashes after upgrading to Snow Leopard OS X: Safari crashing when attaching a document to an e-mail in webmail, Microsoft Entourage suddenly crashing for no specific reason, Microsoft Word for Mac crashing dozens of times a day when saving documents, attaching documents to e-mail, various programs not working any longer (Flip4Mac, BookSmart for Blurb, etc.) My advice: Wait another month or so with upgrading until Apple has fixed most of these problems and third party software developers have been able to come up with patches.
    MacBook5,2, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • James Schnoor Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    I understand that there are people that really shouldn't upgrade yet. It sounds like you started doing research to see what issue(s) you could live with in comparison to the features you wanted and then weighed them out. I think that is a smart way to do it. I AM and always have been one of the guinea pigs. I love to update my computer as soon as possible. I love the challenge of finding and resolving any issues I run across. I love to help people with things like this. But a nothing bars prgress more than a closed mind.

    There's a lot of us out there. We are the ones that find the issues out before the smart ones do it.

    What bothers me is the people that buy a new OS the day it comes out and then throws it on their only production machine without a backup and don't repair the drive first. Then they whine that the update is bad and that it's Apple's (Microsoft's) fault that they didn't even bother to use the most basic common sense first. I always have a current backup before I do any of these updates and verify that it works. That way I can screwed up/with my computer all I want and then If I was to want/need to go back then I've lost absolutely NOTHING.

    Thank you for the nice note. I appreciate it.

    Peace,
    Iggy
    MacBooK Pro, 17", 2.8Ghz, 4GB, 500GB, Mac OS X (10.6), Mac Mini, 2.0, 2GB, 320GB. G4 DP 867, 2GB, 500GB HDD, Superdrive.
  • James Schnoor Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Create another account with admin privilege and see if it works to install from that account. If it doesn't, try rebooting with the CD and repair permissions and the check the disc just to be sure. You can always activate the "Root" account and see if you can install it with that. If so, you probably want to turn it off when you are done.

    Peace,
    Iggy

    Message was edited by: James Schnoor
    MacBooK Pro, 17", 2.8Ghz, 4GB, 500GB, Mac OS X (10.6), Mac Mini, 2.0, 2GB, 320GB. G4 DP 867, 2GB, 500GB HDD, Superdrive.
  • James Schnoor Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Generally people SEEM to be saying that a clean install is the best option. I would do a backup. Run a repair on the privileges and and the disc. Unplug all external devices (Drives, cameras, printers, etc...) from the computer. In fact everything except mouse,keyboard, and monitor. Then give it a shot. You can try A&I first if you'd like.

    Let me know.

    Peace,
    Iggy
    MacBooK Pro, 17", 2.8Ghz, 4GB, 500GB, Mac OS X (10.6), Mac Mini, 2.0, 2GB, 320GB. G4 DP 867, 2GB, 500GB HDD, Superdrive.
  • ManuCH Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)
    An iMac we have at work became extremely slow and kept crashing after installing Snow Leopard. After a while, I found out that the hard disk was actually failing. You couldn't notice it on 10.5, but after an upgrade to 10.6 probably some file were corrupt and it started acting weird.

    We replaced the hard disk, restored from a backup, and everything is fine.

    So, for those who have extreme crashing problems, check your hardware.
    Mac Pro 8-core 2.26 GHz / MacBook 2.2 GHz, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Zorbov Level 4 Level 4 (1,660 points)
    Hi there ...

    Just wanted to say if you fax a lot .... Page Sender is a great program that I have used for the past 5 years ... it's fantastic ... lots of features ... and constant development.

    Cheers ...
    MacBook 2.2 GHZ 1Gig Ram 120 GB Super Drive, Mac OS X (10.5.1), 500 mhz iMac running Panther ... Yeah!
  • Zorbov Level 4 Level 4 (1,660 points)
    Delete any safari plug ins if you have them ..

    Do you run tinkertool or any system "haxie" .... these types of things can create havoc with apple apps
    MacBook 2.2 GHZ 1Gig Ram 120 GB Super Drive, Mac OS X (10.5.1), 500 mhz iMac running Panther ... Yeah!
  • blitzen2 Calculating status...
    I have gone back to 10.5.8 simply because Snow Leopard wiped out all of the serial numbers et al of my programs Adobe apps + and I would have to erase and then reinstall all of them. After trying to get VMware reinstalled it still would not play. The only thing that seemed to work was MS Word.

    So I went back to 10.5. Most of your 10.6 disk will be placed in a folder called "previous system". You will then need to reinstall your apps.but at least they will work.
    macbookpro, Mac OS X (10.6), 10.5.8 / 10.6

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