10 Replies Latest reply: Sep 28, 2009 5:57 AM by rpduval
blueadept33 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
I have just done a fresh install trying to fix this problem but that doesn't seem to be the cause.

No matter which torrent client I use, Vuze, transmission , utorrent, etc
I set global upload and download values but they are ignored.

I can see this by using istats menu, but more importantly through the tomato firmware on my router which confirms it. When I set a speed limit in any of the programs the program makes it look like it is obeying the speed limits but with no other programs opened prior the system uses 0 to .2k up and down. only with a torrent program open it goes well above these limits maxing out both my upstream and downstream bandwidth. I heard this problem may also leak into other programs as well, world of warcraft etc... anyone have a fix?

Thanks!

unibody MBP, Mac OS X (10.6.1)
  • 1. Re: Torrent Problems
    direwolf8 Level 4 Level 4 (1,280 points)
    What part of the OS, as opposed to your application software, do you think is causing this? Do you have any indication of network problems for more conventional system uses? Have you verified that your upstream provider isn't shaping or restricting traffic in any way?
  • 2. Re: Torrent Problems
    blueadept33 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I have no idea about what part of the OS it is, I know it started with snow leopard. I even did a clean install with no programs running besides istats menu, which shows me how much bandwidth is going in and out. My first thought was that istats menu was wrong, then i tried istats pro widget with same results, and then finally going into router and seeing it for myself, I did this by classifying all traffic from my mac address as high priority and leaving only myself plugged into router, it showed the same results as istats menu. My provider shaping traffic? They have never done it, I use roadrunner by time warner, and this problem only appeared w/ snow leopard so it would be too much of a coincidence and a few others have this problem.

    If I'm not using bittorrent I have 0 system problems as far as I can tell, web-browsing, mail, ventrilo, and video games all run blazing fast as ever.

    Only when bittorrent is used, no matter the client, and no matter the global upload/download limit, the connection gets maxed out and it slows down all other systems on the network as well. In the torrent client it will show the download/upload speed on each individual torrent as obeying the download/upload rate. IE, I set global upload to 20k/sec, in bittorrent client it shows upload going between 19.5-20k/sec and it looks as if it's working. istats menu, shows 70-85k being uploaded/leaving my computer (my connection is maxed out at 70k, so this is the normal throttling behavior). I log into router and it confirms that I am sending out 70-85k.

    The system runs perfectly fine unless a torrent client is open at which point all the bandwidth is used, I'm not sure if the client is using it all (which I doubt because all the clients show the appropriate speed cap and when looking at seed ratio it appears to move different if you adjust it) so when the torrent client is open, all this extra upload is coming from somewhere, I have no idea where though.
  • 3. Re: Torrent Problems
    wilber9 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I'm having the same problem. This has to be fixed!
  • 4. Re: Torrent Problems
    Graham Outterside Level 4 Level 4 (2,910 points)
    Transmission is working 100% here without any changes. Its a 64bit App as well and the installation of SL has not affected it.

    There must be something amiss with your system.
  • 5. Re: Torrent Problems
    direwolf8 Level 4 Level 4 (1,280 points)
    My provider shaping traffic? They have never done it, I use roadrunner by time warner,


    You're joking, right?

    [TWC] TW Officially Announces Packet Shaping for All RR Users
    From Time Warner's Help Desk
    TIME WARNER ANNOUNCES INTRODUCTION OF PACKET SHAPING TECHNOLOGY NATIONWIDE
    ...
    "Packet shaping" technology has been implemented for newsgroup applications, regardless of the provider, and all peer-to-peer networks and certain other high bandwidth applications not necessarily limited to audio, video, and voice over IP telephony. Road Runner reserves the right to implement network management tools for other applications in the future."
  • 6. Re: Torrent Problems
    wilber9 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I like to use "common sense" and sometimes I use a fancy thing called the "scientific basis of research". If the only thing that changed from one moment, (torrents working) to the next, (torrents not working) the singularity that happened in that moment between is deductively the direct cause.
    Either SL has to come up with an update to allow these programs to work properly or these programs have to come up with an update to work properly with SL. Torrent programs are not the only ones that are experiencing issues with SL.
    Apple's reputation is at stake here. If every time they put out an update certain existing programs won't operate, then consumers will cease or at the very least be very hesitant to put faith in and perform these updates.
  • 7. Re: Torrent Problems
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,875 points)
    sometimes I use a fancy thing called the "scientific basis of research". If the only thing that changed from one moment, (torrents working) to the next, (torrents not working) the singularity that happened in that moment between is deductively the direct cause


    Interesting. That "fancy" thing you're using is Inductive Reasoning, not "scientific basis of research". For a start there's no research involved, only induction from a gap and without any actual evidence. The singularity is inductively the direct cause. It may not actually be the cause as we have no actual knowledge that there is a "singularity", only a perception of one.

    Either SL has to come up with an update to allow these programs to work properly or these programs have to come up with an update to work properly with SL.


    Apple make the OS. That's their job. Developers make their apps. To help them keep up to date they have access to early builds of the OS as it's developed and updated. They have plenty of time to be prepared for changes. If they don't do that, well, you need to take it up with them.

    Apple's reputation is at stake here.


    No it isn't. It's the developers of these application whose reputation is at stake. It's their job to keep up with the updates.

    If every time they put out an update certain existing programs won't operate, then consumers will cease or at the very least be very hesitant to put faith in and perform these updates.


    More likely they'll migrate to alternative applications. Actual experience bears this out.

    Regards

    TD
  • 8. Re: Torrent Problems
    rpduval Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)
    Terence Devlin wrote:

    More likely they'll migrate to alternative applications. Actual experience bears this out.

    Regards

    TD


    Except when you migrate to 3 or 4 alternative apps and they ALL exhibit the same behavior. And there is a logical if not scientific basis for the conclusion:

    Premise 1: app was working under 10.5.X (fact)
    Premise 2: upgrade to 10.6.X (fact)
    Premise 3: make no other changes (fact)
    Premise 4: app stops working (fact)
    Premise 5: other similar apps do not work (fact)
    Conclusion: upgrade to 10.6.X broke the apps - a valid conclusion.

    BTW, the above is a classic deductive argument.

    Not saying it is Apple's fault but I find it darned odd that my torrent clients all stopped working correctly after the 10.6 "upgrade" while everything else appears to work fine.
  • 9. Re: Torrent Problems
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,875 points)
    Yes, that is classic deductive argument. My comment was on the other poster who, under the guise of "scientific basis of research" (whatever that is) was using inductive argument.

    As your syllogism is pretty straightforward I have no argument with its structure. However you may want to re-examine the 5th premise

    Premise 5: other similar apps do not work (fact)


    As one other poster on the thread testifies - and I can corroborate - Transmission 1.75 works flawlessly.

    So, my point is remains. Apple make the OS. It's the job of the application developers to make their apps work within the OS. Take it up with them.

    Regards

    TD
  • 10. Re: Torrent Problems
    rpduval Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)
    Terence Devlin wrote:

    As one other poster on the thread testifies - and I can corroborate - Transmission 1.75 works flawlessly.

    So, my point is remains. Apple make the OS. It's the job of the application developers to make their apps work within the OS. Take it up with them.

    Regards

    TD


    Fair enough - but Vuze, BitTorrent and µTorrent do not work correctly. I am going to check Transmission now, thanks for that info.