How to mix page orientation in the one word processing document ??

Help please. I'm new to pages and trying to get away from MS Word.

I'm working on a report which has the usual portrait pages of text but also I have some tables which need to be in landscape. In word, I can set a new section break and tell it go landscape from that point forward. When I try to do this in pages, the whole document changes to landscape, which is not what I want. I'm probably not doing something basic (I hope).

I am using a predefined template. Please tell its possible to do this (he cries plaintively).

As an alternative, would this work ? I currently have the two groups of information in two separate files (one with the portrait pages and one with the landscape pages). Is it possible to merge the two files together and retain the correct page orientation ??

Thanks in advance

Mac OS X (10.5.8)

Posted on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 AM

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Oct 6, 2009 4:41 AM in response to Dunnart

There is no way to mix orientation in Pages without using a work around which isn't too onerous if there's only 1 or 2 pages. Work around: create the page(s) and save as a PDF. Open in Preview and rotate 90º. Insert into Pages. Yes, it might be nice if this were a feature offered natively in Pages but remember each new feature leads to bloat and that is one of the reasons most of us prefer to not use Word.
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Oct 6, 2009 1:42 PM in response to Dunnart

Thanks for the suggestion dwb. Unfortunately, I have 8 landscape pages and it only imported the first page. I have decided to go with the whole document in portrait mode, even though it wastes paper unnecessarily.

I would consider mixing portrait and landscape orientated pages in the one report as a fairly standard feature and wouldn't consider such a feature as bloatware. I like pages because it gives a lot of templates to make the reports look nice, but some of them could be considered "bloat". Each to their own I guess 🙂

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it.
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Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM in response to Dunnart

Select the table and rotate it 90 degrees. You can do this either by holding down the Command key and grabbing a handle (you will see the pointer change to a curved double arrow) or you may go to the Metrics Inspector and use the controls there.

If you need to edit after it is rotated, double clicking on it will rotate it back to horizontal for editing and when finished, return it to the vertical position.

Walt
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Oct 6, 2009 3:50 PM in response to Dunnart

Sorry, I didn't think about the possibility that you'd be doing more than one page at a time. This is a page by page 'solution' so you'd need to print each page as a PDF individually and then insert them individually.
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Oct 6, 2009 10:01 PM in response to Dunnart

Dunnart wrote:


I would consider mixing portrait and landscape orientated pages in the one report as a fairly standard feature and wouldn't consider such a feature as bloatware.


It is debatable. To me it isn't a standard feature. You can't print it that way. Either the papers are in the portrait or in the landscape position in the printer. I think it is important to state if the document is for viewing on the screen or for printing. Walts suggestion will help.
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Oct 7, 2009 1:36 AM in response to Walt K

Hi Walt

Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately neither of them worked. I couldn't get the curved arrows and the metrics functions were all greyed out. Maybe the template doesn't allow for this sort of change. Also, your suggestions sound like they only work for the tables, but there is header text outside the table that would need to change orientation as well.

thanks for your help, I appreciate it.
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Oct 7, 2009 1:41 AM in response to fruhulda

But its probably not a debate worth having fruhuida :):)

FYI, my work printers handle changes in page orientation with ease when using MS Word. I assume you meant that Pages does do this sort of thing.

Thanks for your input though.
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Oct 7, 2009 3:16 AM in response to Dunnart

I need to have the document in PDF format so it can be accessed from a website, so I need an electronic solution, not not a hardcopy solution..

? ? ? ? And that's is exactly what I've given you. Since Pages cannot change page orientation you have to change the object's orientation and put it back into Pages. To change the object's orientation (the object being a page whose orientation needs to be changed) you print it as a PDF, rotate it, and then insert it into the document it belongs in.
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Oct 7, 2009 3:19 AM in response to Dunnart

No, it is not worth debating!

If you can't get the bent arrow the object isn't selected, first select then also press the command key when pointing at a corner square. Or you may have an object inline.
You said you have a predefined template, is that one of Pages' or a Word template. In both cases there can be locked objects or they can be background objects. The first can be unlocked by going select the item then go Arrange > Unlock. The Latter you need to go ( Format > Advanced > Make Master Objects selectable and/or) Arrange > Make Background Objects selectable.
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Oct 9, 2009 9:20 PM in response to Dunnart

I would consider mixing portrait and landscape orientated pages in the one report as a fairly standard feature and wouldn't consider such a feature as bloatware.


I agree.

I also agree that programs can become hampered by esoteric feature-overload aimed at perhaps 0.01% of users, but this addition would certainly appeal to this 'average' user.

Is there a work-around involving Hyperlinking two Pages documents?

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Oct 10, 2009 6:23 AM in response to James Lehmann

I also agree that programs can become hampered by esoteric feature-overload aimed at perhaps 0.01% of users, but this addition would certainly appeal to this 'average' user.

We are now using the 4th version of Pages and from day one we've fielded questions about mixed orientation documents. If not me then someone else has always replied, "use feedback to request it" and I certainly hope that on each occasion that advice has been taken. If not there's no hope for the feature to be added. But having said that, since we are now using version 4 and since the feature hasn't shown up yet, perhaps it is because you are wrong about it being feature that would appeal to the average user.
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Oct 10, 2009 9:02 AM in response to James Lehmann

The rule in AppleLand is not to drop 0,01% of the users. It is:

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+During the design process, if you discover problems with your product design, you might consider applying the 80 percent solution‚ that is, designing your software to meet the needs of at least 80 percent of your users. This type of design typically favors simpler, more elegant approaches to problems.+
+If you try to design for the 20 percent of your target audience who are power users, your design may not be usable by the other 80 percent of users. Even though that smaller group of power users is likely to have good ideas for features, the majority of your user base may not think in the same way. Involving a broad range of users in your design process can help you find the 80 percent solution.+

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And I am quite sure that what you are asking for is useless for more than 20% of the users (starting with me).

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 10 octobre 2009 18:02:45
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