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Dec 19, 2009 11:19 PM in response to hodag_by jpl,hodag,
Welcome to the Discussions.
A few basic questions:
1. Have you reset the PRAM? When you press the four keys, do so before pressing the power button, then release the keys after you hear 2-3 startup chimes. It will take some time between chimes so don't be impatient. If the CD is in the optical drive, immediately press the 'c' key after releasing the four PRAM reset keys.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379?viewlocale=en_US
2. Are you using a retail MacOS 8.6 (or some other version) that is NOT a machine-specific CD (e.g a Power Mac, iBook, etc) that will only boot that specific machine?
3. The Wallstreet supports a retail MacOS 8.5 > MacOS X 10.2.8 and the original bundled MacOS 8.1 that is a special version; the retail OS 8.1 will not work.
4. Only CDs will boot the WS...no DVD drive.
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Dec 20, 2009 12:23 PM in response to jplby hodag_,1. Yes I have tried PRAM setting, but not pressing "C" right after the chimes.
2. No I do not have retail versions. I have reloaded newer apples from these. What color labels will work on this wallstreet. It would make it easier to purchase one off of ebay.
3. I understand.
4. yes only CDs will work on the wallstreet. It has no DVD player. I wish It had a USB port. -
Dec 20, 2009 2:03 PM in response to hodag_by jpl,hodag,
You can add a USB or FireWire using a USB or FireWire PC card in the PCMCIA/CardBus slot. I recommend a FireWire card over the USB since they all work well with any version of 10.x. USB 2.0 requires a card-supported driver for 10.2.0 > 10.2.7; 10.2.8 and later is supported by Apple but only those cards with the NEC chipset and these can be hard to locate. As far as I know, most older USB 1.1 PC cards will work with all versions of OSX. Also, these cards supply very little bus power, enough to run a mouse or keyboard or flash drive; HDs will require their own power supply.
If you have a Mac that supports Jaguar/10.2, you can place the Wallstreet's HD in a FireWire or USB HD enclosure, connect it to the supported Mac, and install the OS to the HD, then reinstall the HD.
Or get a cable that performs the same function:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/U2NV2SPATA/
OWC used to sell a cheaper version for $12 so you might find something similar elsewhere.
You can see what the CDs look like here:
http://www.apple.com/support/osfamily/
I recommend at least 256MB of RAM; the WS supports up to 512MB. However, the 256MB modules are unique to this machine, early iMac and Lombard, so generics will not work properly. Generic 128s and lower are OK assuming they have the correct specs.
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iBooks-PowerBooks/G3-Lombard/ -
Dec 20, 2009 3:00 PM in response to hodag_by jpl,hodag,
Addendum...
You cannot boot an external device through a FW or USB PC card.
You will have to partition your Wallstreet's in this manner for OSX:
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Dec 20, 2009 5:26 PM in response to jplby Grant Bennet-Alder,Oh, that problem:
TA20420- Mac OS X: Disk Appears Dimmed (or "Grayed Out") in the Installer
That's the "Mac OS X must be completely contained in a partition that ends before the 8 GB limit problem". 7.99 GB first partition size seems to work for that. 8.0 GB does not because there are some drivers and tables loaded on in front of the data partition, but they are not very large. -
Dec 21, 2009 6:18 PM in response to jplby Robert Su1,Hi, jpl and Grant:
I have learned a lot from both of you about G3 WS in the past.
Until a few days ago, my G3 WS was running Mac OS 10.4.11 with the help from Mac OS 9.2.2 (you know what I meant.) Suddenly, it did not boot any more. When I booted it from Mac OS 9.2.2, the screen is frozen before the second icon would appear down on the left lower bottom. I cannot reinstall it with Mac OS 9.1 through 9.2.1 either. I even removed the HD and reinstalled it with other computer and replaced the HD back. But, the WS won't boot except Mac OS 10.1. I thought it might be processor problems. I switched the machine between 233 mHz and 250 mHz and between four different RAMs to no avail. I can reinstall Mac OS 10.1 but not Mac OS 10.2, because insufficient VRAM(?) Of course the machine is old now. Its prime battery is gone. The back-up batter is still holding a very amount of charge.
Do you have any suggestion? I just need to use it in the Classic Environment at my office for word processing.
Thank you very much.
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Dec 21, 2009 8:30 PM in response to Robert Su1by jpl,Robert,
The first icon appearing during startup is Open Transport (a square icon with two arrows, I think, pointing in opposite directions); it is either stalling as OT is trying to load or stalling on the next extension which on both the 9.2.1 CD and a full-install of 9.2.1 on the HD is the 'Help' icon.
I would try these tests:
1. Reset the PRAM as a basic troubleshooting step.
2. Since booting your CDs 9.1 and 9.2.1 cause the same problem (if I read your post correctly), try booting the CDs with the shift key held down. Press the 'c' key to select the CD, release when you see the Mac icon and immediately press the shift key; you should see 'Extensions off' under the happy Mac face. If successful, then you probably have a hardware failure, possibly with Ethernet. Not loading the related software prevents the stall.
Since you might already have 9.x installed on the HD, see if it will boot with extensions off. If it does boot in this manner, open the Extensions Mananger control panel, uncheck the Open Transport extensions, then see if it will boot normally.
I cannot explain the behavior with 10.x. -
Dec 23, 2009 6:47 AM in response to jplby Robert Su1,jpl,
Thank you very much for the suggestions. By the time, I went back to my WS for trying with your suggestions, it had died with no respone to power up. I did not want to bother with it but keep it for my Apple Legacy (collection.)
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Dec 23, 2009 9:51 AM in response to Robert Su1by Grant Bennet-Alder,Once you install 10.3 or 10.4 with XPostFacto, remember that the Startup Disk Control Panel will not get you where you want to go.
Your new Options are:
• asking XPostFacto to boot Mac OS X from a specific Mac OS X Boot drive or Install CD, or
• asking XPostFacto to boot OS 9 from the first-found OS 9 drive, or
• holding down the C key at startup to boot from an OS 9 (or other inherently bootable, i.e., 10.2 or earlier) CD
These are the only options that continue to work as expected. All other paths (including any that cause a PRAM Reset) lead to a blank screen.
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Dec 24, 2009 6:38 AM in response to hodag_by hodag,Ok guys thanks for the information about how to load OS 10, but how about the problem I am having getting the CDrom to load anything? As mention before. I have done the resets....nothing. Is there a special order of doing things on a wallstreet? All I get is the floppy disk and a "?" -
Dec 24, 2009 6:39 AM in response to hodagby hodag,Oh yes I have a second CD rom unit. So I have tried this on two CDrom drives, nothing...no change. -
Dec 25, 2009 12:33 PM in response to hodagby jpl,hodag,
You did not make clear if you have retail 9.x or retail 10.2 disks; both should be CDs, not DVDs.
Make sure you get at least two chimes on the PRAM reset; corrupted PRAM can prevent a boot to optical disk.
Are all peripherals removed?
If 'c' does not work, try 'delete-option-command-shift' keys; this forces a bypass of the internal HD. With the disk in the drive, hold down these keys and press the power button.