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7168 Views 33 Replies Latest reply: Feb 18, 2010 12:16 AM by woelbinr
Currently Being ModeratedJan 29, 2010 7:10 AM (in response to Forgiss)
I know you say it's a prior condition of my mac, but both my 2 macs developing HD errors on the same day? I am more inclined to think that there is a software conflict somewhere that screwed something up, (not necessarily from apple's side)
I think you are probably right about a software conflict being the cause of your problems. Obviously, this would have to be something common to both Macs. You can almost certainly rule out the Apple stuff that everyone has on their Macs & mainstream apps like Photoshop -- if they were at fault then just about everybody would be having problems.
If you have installed anything that modifies the user interface, consider it a likely suspect. Even though they aren't advertised as such, they are hacks that modify the fundamental operation of the OS, usually in unorthodox ways, to "enhance" it. High on this list are things that add non-Apple *menu items* to the right side of the menu bar, among the Apple-supplied items like the volume icon, Airport indicator, etc. If you can Command-click on any of these & drag them to a different menu position, then that is what I'm talking about.
Also check /System/Library/StartupItems & /Library/StartupItems. These are empty by default, so anything in them has been installed by a third party app. Take a look at System Preferences > Accounts > Log in items. Some items, like iTunes Helper are normal; others may be causing login problems.
Since you don't have ready access to another startup volume, try Starting up in Safe Mode. This does several helpful things, as documented in Mac OS X: What is Safe Boot, Safe Mode?, not the least of which is doing a directory check of the startup volume.2008 iMacs: 24"/3.06 GHz + 20"/2.66 GHz; White MacBook/2.4 GHz, Mac OS X (10.6.2), Kensington Trackball; Airport Extreme 802.11n; assorted iPods and older Macs
Currently Being ModeratedJan 29, 2010 10:17 AM (in response to R C-R)*@ R C-R:*
It actually looks like your advice worked!
and in the process, I think we might have stumbled upon a, if not a fix, at least a workable solution (well for us, anyway)
Both machine seems to be up and running again. This is how we got the second machine going again:
1. Repair Permissions on machine with Disk Utility
2. Startup computer in Target Disk Mode (hold T during Startup) and connect via firewire to another mac
3. Repair and verify disk of broken mac with second mac
5. Boot into Safe Mode
6. Shut down completely
7. Start-up and pray to deity of choice...
I did the safe-mode thing with the second mac, and it didn't work until we also die the target-disk firewire repair. If I had another mac I'd try for a confirmation of the "fix"
Do be aware, that although I can now actually do some work in my RAW converter and Photoshop, the problem has not completely gone away. When I quite the application, I get a crash report.
Skype is working again, and Firefox is working again. It still looks like I would need to rebuild the computer from scratch at some point. at least I can get some work done though!Macbook Pro 17", Mac OS X (10.6.2)
Currently Being ModeratedJan 30, 2010 2:02 PM (in response to Forgiss)I have two MBP's running 10.5.8 I see this:
After booting from install DVD and repairing disk, and after restarting back from Mac, the errors restarted after a time. This has happend on TWO different MBP's running 10.5.8 (Early 2008 versions). Both of these issues arose AFTER the Security Update 2010-001. The chances are pretty huge that the same issue creap up on two separate computers... Here is the log again. NOTE: The issue happens one out of 4 verifies in (not permissions verify) Disk Utility.
Verifying volume “Macintosh HD”
Performing live verification.
Checking Journaled HFS Plus volume.
Checking Extents Overflow file.
Checking Catalog file.
Incorrect number of thread records
Incorrect number of thread records
Checking multi-linked files.
Checking Catalog hierarchy.
Checking Extended Attributes file.
Checking volume bitmap.
Checking volume information.
The volume Macintosh HD needs to be repaired.
Error: Filesystem verify or repair failed.MacBook Pro 15" 2.6 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (Early 2008) 4GB Ram, Mac OS X (10.5.8), iphone 3GS (32GB Black) 3.1.2 OS
Currently Being ModeratedJan 30, 2010 2:12 PM (in response to Forgiss)do any of you have VirusBarrier X5 installed??MacBook Pro 15" 2.6 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (Early 2008) 4GB Ram, Mac OS X (10.5.8), iphone 3GS (32GB Black) 3.1.2 OS
Currently Being ModeratedJan 30, 2010 2:19 PM (in response to powerbook1701)also, note, TTDeluxe 313 also reports the same error..for both machines when the error occurs (about 1 out of 4 times)MacBook Pro 15" 2.6 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (Early 2008) 4GB Ram, Mac OS X (10.5.8), iphone 3GS (32GB Black) 3.1.2 OS
Currently Being ModeratedJan 31, 2010 9:34 AM (in response to Forgiss)If you haven't already done so, I suggest you download and install SMARTReporter:
This very useful bit of freeware checks the S.M.A.R.T. status of your drive in the background hourly. The S.M.A.R.T. test determines if your drive is starting to show signs of an incipient hardware failure.
SMARTReporter puts a green icon in your menubar which turns to red if the S.M.A.R.T test fails. It can also be set to e-mail you a warning.
This is an absolutely indispensible tool that should be on every Mac.MacBook Pro; G5 Tower single processor, G4/400 AGP/Gigabit, Mac OS X (10.5.5)
Currently Being ModeratedJan 31, 2010 11:06 AM (in response to John Strung)Does't DU do that? It has a "SMART" section to say verified or failing..
Currently Being ModeratedJan 31, 2010 1:22 PM (in response to powerbook1701)I have been unable to boot my mac since installing this security update- all I could get to is the grey apple icon. I had a trial for netbarrier X5 on my mac but this has long expired, however the small castle icon still plagues the top of my screen. I wonder whether this has had anything to do with it?
I had to restore my entire system to a TM backup prior to the update to gain access and perform a normal boot. I am now very unwilling to install this update. Any advice more than welcome.20 inch iMac intel 2.4ghz 4GB ram, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 1, 2010 2:32 AM (in response to Alistair Galley)I have the same issue after installing the security update, or at least similar. Perhaps I have not been patient enough (10 min.) but the machine has not started up yet. It goes to the screen with the Apple logo and the symbol below keeps rolling. After a while the fan goes to "levitate this imac mode" and after a while spins down to normal, but does not go beyond that.
I'm now trying the installation from my original OSX Install Discs. ---- A nice:
"There were errors installing the software - Please try installing again - Restart"
It would be nice to have Apple publish a "how-to" when problems of this nature come up, and I don't mean some instructions in the knowledge database. A friendly little pop-up with specifics while doing the update procedure would seem in order.
I get that everyone should have their machines backed up, but some of the items described here are just too much to be able to follow through on for the majority of computer users.
More later...I hope!imac g5 iSight, Mac OS X (10.5.8)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 1, 2010 9:55 AM (in response to Forgiss)I had a similar problem to the first poster in this thread. I reinstalled the security update and that fixed most of my problems. I am having a problem backing up to a new time machine volume and I am getting the spinning beach ball a lot. When running permissions I get error messages about unexpected ACL.MBP 2.16, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 1, 2010 12:43 PM (in response to Forgiss)I am fairly new to Mac's and yet I would not change back to windows if my life were in danger.
I have a similar issue with what is being reported here. When I have gone to use SKYPE or Yahoo Messenger, or some online chat forums that support video conferencing I keep getting the message no cam found or configure device.
I also get firefox suddenly quiting for no reason, omniweb browser, and opera browser, and icab browsers all do the same thing. Even in Safari I get the error messages.
It is frustrating to say the least since it is the primary way my wife and I have of seeing our Grand Children who are scattered about the country. I realize this is not a critical situation but to us it is a major inconvenience.
I even called Apple Care Support and they had no answer for me either.
I have also noticed that some of my photo editing software, Adobe Elements and Pixelmator are also acting up.
I would appreciate any reasonable suggestions.MBP 15", Mac OS X (10.6.2)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 1, 2010 1:46 PM (in response to garycc66)Hi garycc66;
Since your problem has nothing to do at all with the originally posted question, I suggest you atart your own thread instead of hijacking this one.
AllanMacBook Pro, PowerMac G5 Quad. iPhone, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 7800 GT, 6.5 GB RAM, 440 GB, Nikon N80, D70 and D300 Nikon Coolscan 5000ED
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 12, 2010 8:03 AM (in response to Forgiss)I have the same problems as Forgiss on my SL 10.6.2 (MacBook) after installing the security update.
Almost all applications crash now right after their startup, like Firefox, Photoshop, iTunes, iWeb, iPhoto, Parallels and on and on and on.
Only some like Finder, Disk Utility, Settings, Mail and iCal are working.
Safari crashes on the "normal" user account where some add-ins are installed like Adblocker. The "clean" Safari on the admin account does actually startup just fine.
Repairing the permissions didn't show any effects on the problem.
Forgiss, are your problems really gone, and what have you done besides repairing permissions?MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 12, 2010 8:24 AM (in response to Forgiss)No, I wish I could report that my problems are "gone"
All the apps and software does launch and work now, but I get regular crashes, so it seems that whatever was happening in the background was brought to light in a more serious fashion by the security update.
I don't think it's HD failure, but I do think there are software clashes and plugins, etc that is causing the havoc.
I also realised that some people that claim no issues or crashes, have their crash reports set to "never bother me with this stuff" ;D
Message was edited by: Forgiss17" Macbook Pro 2.33ghz, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 12, 2010 8:46 AM (in response to JDL*70)The only solution for me was a wipe and reinstall of HD. When I was having the issue, it was on 10.5.8 after I updated SU 2010-001...no crashed, but HD failed to verify on two different computers. When I wiped and then installed SL and the SU for that, no problems.MacBook Pro 15" 2.6 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (Early 2008), Mac OS X (10.6.2), iphone 3GS (32GB), AEBS DB2 (Late 2009)