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Aperture 3 Library Fragmentation causes problems

52684 Views 164 Replies Latest reply: Aug 25, 2010 5:03 PM by enchantedman RSS
  • geewonder Calculating status...
    My family in NY said they're getting buried. Stay warm Kevin!

    -Greg
    Mac OS X (10.5.8)
  • DLScreative Level 4 Level 4 (1,595 points)
    Oh now I remember what I don't miss about living on the east coast.

    It's about the only thing I don't miss though
    15"MbP 2.6 4GB/ NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 256 MB VRAM/ 20" ACD, Mac OS X (10.6.2), Canon 5D, 20D and G7
  • geewonder Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 26, 2010 4:27 PM (in response to geewonder)
    2 x 2.66 GHz Dual Core Intel Xeon MacPro & Dual Core MBP, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Mac Pro 10GB RAM & MBP has 2GB RAM
  • Falcon01 Calculating status...
    Kevin J. Doyle wrote:
    Falcon01 wrote:
    Just a quick update here:
    I finally got the OWC eSATA card for the MBP and just in brief file transfer tests from the drive to the MBP desktop and then same file from desktop to external drive, I found that when connected via the eSATA card I was getting up to 50% faster transfer speeds!! (folder with 1.86GB of CR2 files).

    WOW! so naturally I will utilize new drives just for the AP3 Library which I would be using a managed file workflow and not referenced.

    Thanks again for your advice.


    GREAT!

    This is an opportunity to benchmark your changes, and get on your way to a faster safer A3 experience!

    Is this the card the is supposed to be bootable? If so I would appreciate it greatly if you could humor me and actually test that...I do not know of a current eSATA Express 34 that was capable of it.

    Thanks, and enjoy...

    K.J. Doyle


    Hmmm, I don't have Mac OSX on any external drives to boot from (I assume that's what I'd need).
    Although I have booted off an iPod

    I ordered the sonnet with 2 ports.
    Also ordered an OWC SATA 2TB (2x1TB drives in the enclosure).
    http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MESR2.0TB64/
    My plan is to run AP3's library on one of the drives and the second would be the backup(Vault)

    Then a 3rd drive for the offsite vault.

    As I mentioned I think I will go the "managed library" route.
    Other than that there will be a drive that will always have the original RAW files since AP3 now can import to it's library AND a copy of the original files to another location all upon import!.
    MBP 2.5Ghz-4gigs ram, Mac OS X (10.6.2), 20" ACD, LaCie storage
  • brewster Calculating status...
    For what it's worth, here's my experience of the A3 debacle (and debacle it certainly is — what a time-wasting mess, Apple!)…

    1. A3.0 - very, very slow after upgrading 60,000-image library.
    2. A3.0.1 - not much difference. Program very slow to do anything. Actually unusable in many instances. Key teeth being ground to a fine powder.
    3. Buy iDefrag. 14 hours later, the iMac 3.0.6 4GB/1TB dedicated to A3 (Managed library, all on internal hard disk) is defragged and clean as a whistle.
    4. Restart. A3 flies. Behaves like it should in terms of opening, closing, showing images, searches, etc.

    BUT:

    Something's still seriously wrong with A3.0.1. The first invocation of a feature after launch can just sit there, doing nothing. E.g. click on Faces. 10 minutes later, still nothing. Activity Monitor reports very little action from A3. Force-quit, then relaunch, then immediately click Faces — instantly, it's there.

    This problem, where invoking some functionality results in no response until a Force Quit is done and the program relaunched, happens to me on Import functions as well.

    Not good enough, Apple.
    MacBook Pro 17" 2.93GHz Core2Duo 4GB/320GB, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Frederic Landes Calculating status...
    This post is getting better and better but also going to be painful to our wallet.

    I was planning to order a Drobo 4Bay FW800 system with Seagate or Western Digital 1.5 TB HDs.

    OK, I am only a humble home hobbyist photographer, with one much too large A3 library (766 GB), and 4 smaller ones, but I cannot afford the eSata Drobo system and neither a Mac Pro with 16Gb RAM.

    If Firewire is obsolete for serious photographers, which I thought I was in spite of my non-commercial activity and amateurish portfolio, I must have been one of the lucky guys. So far, finger crossed, I have survived with a bunch of atypical HDs, the 3 main ones Iomega 1TB Minimax, managing to upgrade all my A2 libraries and re-creating new vaults for each ones.

    I really thought that the Drobo was going to be my saviour for a potential catastrophy.

    So now, I really look forward to read Kevin's next step with the suggestions of specific hardware, though I know I will be able to only dream about it.

    Thanks again Kevin for an enlightening discussion and terrific knowledge.
    MacBook Pro 17" + iMac 24", Mac OS X (10.6.2)
  • d60Dave Calculating status...
    Hello Kevin, thanks for some informative posts.

    I've been one of the lucky Ap3 users who hasn't suffered any upgrade problems even though I did keep my Aperture library on the system disk (whoops) but that's now changed since reading your posts. I've now added an extra internal SATA drive solely for the Ap Lib that I'll alternate monthly with another drive stored offsite in the manner you describe so as to keep the current one as defragmented as possible.

    I've always kept two external 1TB backup USB drives that I alternate on a weekly basis. One drive is connected to my Mac at home and the other sits in my locker at work and I swap them over on a monday morning after downloading the weekend's pictures. These drives are partitioned down the middle with an Aperture Vault in one half and Time Machine backup in the other. This has got me out of one situation when I accidentally upset the permissions in the Aperture Library and had to restore the library from a recent vault. How reliable do you think the vaults are?

    Going back to the defragmenting issue, is it worth doing something similar with the system disk in order to keep that running slick? If so what's the best way to create a defragged copy of the system disk? I've had a look at software such as Carbon Copy Cloner but I believe this creates a block to block copy which would - correct me if I'm wrong - create an equally fragmented copy?

    Regards and thanks,
    Dave.
    MacPro, 2.66GHz Quad Xeon (Sept '09), Mac OS X (10.6.2), MacMini 2GHz Core2 Duo, Nikon D60, Canon Ixus85
  • Shuttleworth125 Level 2 Level 2 (415 points)
    Frederic Landes wrote:
    I was planning to order a Drobo 4Bay FW800 system with Seagate or Western >Digital 1.5 TB HDs.

    OK, I am only a humble home hobbyist photographer, with one much too large A3 >library (766 GB), and 4 smaller ones, but I cannot afford the eSata Drobo >system and neither a Mac Pro with 16Gb RAM.


    We've got a 24" iMac and a FW800 Drobo with two WD 1.5TB HD's containing our AP2 referenced masters. The library iteself is on a seperate partiton on the iMac's internal drive. Our use is as yours, home hobbyist.

    I don't see a real problem with speed, and my wife who is the main user, never complains (which she would if it were a problem, she does when PSE8 crashes with annoying regularity, but at least this is teaching her to save as she works!)

    One thing I'd thought to try if she did mention it being slow was to initially import the masters to the internal drive and do any work on them there, then when finished for the day, re-locate masters to the Drobo, but there is no need for that at the moment.

    I think you should evaluate your need for speed vs. cost. IMO the Drobo worked out pretty reasonably priced in terms of initial set up and expansion, especially when taking into account the ease of use it provides. Other FW800 4 bay enclosures aren't a lot cheaper, and you'd have to fill all 4 bays right from the start if you are trying to keep away from using strange RAID software, at least that's the impression I got.

    Kevins advice is good and I'm sure he'll have some FW800 RAID suggestions, but I think us iMac guys have to try and optimise what we have, it can be perfectly usable, rather than get stuck dreaming of the impossible (or am I just justifying my Drobo here!!)
    iMac 24" 2.8GHz, Mac OS X (10.6.1), iMac G3 500MHz Mac OS X 10.4.11 iPod Touch Time Capsule Airport Express Apple TV
  • geewonder Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Looking forward to hear what you have to say Kevin. Thanks for the info on that array. I was a little misled by the use of the word enclosure in the description. Thankfully, I didn't purchase it, as I've been waiting for your guidance before I pull the $$$ trigger on any new hardware. I was glad to see that other people were interested in this info too. I hope it's as useful to you guys as it will be for me. Btw, no need to answer my 1st question about formatting the drives before copying the library onto it. I saw that you went back over that in another recent post.

    -Greg
    2 x 2.66 GHz Dual Core Intel Xeon MacPro & Dual Core MBP, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Mac Pro 10GB RAM & MBP has 2GB RAM
  • nigelch Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Good heavens, Kevin... we seem to be on the same page at last! Thank you SO much for your time and advice. I paraphrased the bit about defragging, sorry, it came out sounding wrong. As for the Finder copy issue; I may be a grumpy old bugger, but I still have a few critical observational faculties!
    My 1Tb drives have SATA connections already, so it looks like a Sonnet Pro card for my MBP will do the job. Thank you too for the observations re; Firewire. I've learned more about my Mac in one week than in many previous years.
    Stay tuned for outcomes, greetings from sunny SW England (HUGE storm approaching over the Bay of Biscay!)
    MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.6), iPhone3G
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