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Somewhat disappointed with Pages and KeyNote - any suggestions/workarounds?

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  • kennmsr Calculating status...
    I also intended to use my iPad for Keynote Presentations but am frustrated on not being able to easily reduce font size and the loss of progressive paragraph builds. As for your exporting to a movie, you export it as an interactive Quicktime Movie then on a Mac or PC anytime you click your mouse it advances the movie to the next pause doing any of the animations or builds in between. I've been using this feature of Keynote export for years so I can send presentations around the world and any computer can play it as long as they've downloaded the Quicktime Player.
    PowerBook G4, G4 iMac 15", 16GB iPad, Mac OS X (10.5.1), Mac Consultant to Education
  • Allan Leedy Level 2 Level 2 (245 points)
    I'm a little surprised that anyone would expect a device like this to function the same as a laptop.
  • kennmsr Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    It's not our fault they (Apple) named it iWork - Pages, Numbers, & Keynote if it wasn't going to function like their namesakes they should have been called Text Edit, Tables, & Presenter and our expectations would not be what they are. As has been stated in this thread we use Keynote for it's superiority over Powerpoint and to make eye-catching, memorable lecture slides with those features removed or crippled doesn't make it worth the $10 investment per App. I probably will not be returning my iPad because the book reading and movie features make it worth the investment, but I will be seeking a refund on my App purchases.
    PowerBook G4, G4 iMac 15", 16GB iPad, Mac OS X (10.5.1), Mac Consultant to Education
  • Alley_Cat Level 6 Level 6 (16,635 points)
    This all sounds pretty poor.

    I cannot believe that the device is 'not powerful' enough to handle some of these features - I think they just haven't included them.

    If it's being touted as good enough for some hand held gaming or fullscreen video playback then I can't see that presenting slides with fancy transitions would be beyond it's capability.

    Loss of presenter notes might be annoying but perhaps the unit cannot support multiple displays due to hardware limitations and can only mirror. Other aspects eg loss of footers/headers just seems down to non-inclusion in the software.

    Perhaps the progs have just been rushed out for launch and will evolve with time.

    What is really needed is an update to the computer iWork apps to design an iPad compliant file from the off, or convert existing ones so you at least can plan or know what will or will not work.

    Another thought is that perhaps the iWork 09 suite is due for replacement and if the apps have a big overhaul they may not be wanting to fully handle 'legacy' 09 formats/code if a new rewritten version is imminent.
    Various Macs, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Acorn StrongARM RiscPC/A5000/BBC Micro, and home-built Windows boxes
  • Niels Meersschaert Level 3 Level 3 (605 points)
    Keep in mind many of the issues being discussed here aren't with the iPad hardware, simply with the Keynote software. Given that Apple has in the past updated their iPhone software regularly, I don't expect this to be a long term problem.

    As with any software project, they wanted to get a lot of functionality into the first release, but some things had to be left behind. I fully expect those to come in future releases.
    MacBook Air, iMac Core Duo 17, MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPhone 3GS, iPad, Mac OS X (10.6.3)
  • xenolalia Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Would you venture a guess on when Page will be upgraded?
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  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,930 points)
    Would you venture a guess on when Page will be upgraded?


    Advance info on if or when anything will be upgraded or particular problems will be fixed is never provided by Apple, and it is really pointless to look for it.
    iMac Intel/2C2D, eMac G4/700, Mac OS X (10.6), 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 9.2
  • Ewen Level 6 Level 6 (11,790 points)
    ns wrote:
    I bought the 64G iPad today, and I am a little bit disappointed with the device for my purposes. I am a college professor and I currently lug my Macbook for teaching and research presentations. My primary intended use was presentation in the classroom or in conferences, and the ability to edit (what I consider simple) documents when I travel. Currently, I take my Macbook to the classroom or to conferences and attach it via VGA to the podium and to the projector. I wanted to replace the Macbook with the iPad, but it looks like this won't be as easy as I had thought. Let me explain my primary issues below.

    1. I had originally thought that there would be some way (using some dongle, etc.) to connect the iPad wirelessly to the projector, so that I could stand anywhere in the classroom with the iPad in hand and control my presentation, move the pointer, etc. using the iPad's touch surface wirelessly. I realized prior to buying that this ability is currently not there in the iPad, but went ahead with the product anyway. Yes, I am aware of apps such as AirMouse and Apple Remote, etc. that convert your iPhone to a presentation remote, but I was hoping that the iPad will not require an iPhone (with AirMouse or a similar app) to achieve this functionality. As I mentioned, I was prepared for this drawback before the purchase. I was less prepared for the next one.


    I think in developing the iPad Apple focused perhaps too much on having great looking games and media for the device, over developing apps that would cater for the serious productivity and enterprise markets.

    2. The part that comes as a huge and surprising disappointment - TO ME - is that my Keynote and Pages documents are altered when they are converted to the iPad version. Grouped objects are ungrouped (this for me is a big issue given my complex presentations), endnotes and footnotes are not imported in Pages, Table of Content changes to regular text, some fonts cannot be used on the iPad, etc.


    The loss of higher end word processor, spread sheet, and presentation file features is a really tough bullet to bite unless you are a light user at these types of tasks.


    This means, for instance, that I won't be able to do the following: Transfer a Pages document (with footnotes, etc.) to iPad, edit it while on the road, then sync that file back to my Macbook when I reach home. The moment I move the file to the iPad, it loses a whole bunch of things that are standard on most documents that I create (e.g., footnotes and endnotes).


    You're trying to do a serious computing task. iPad just isn't going to be able to do that right now, you need a laptop still for this.


    Similarly, I cannot create a Keynote presentation on my Macbook (with grouped objects, for example) and expect it to transfer intact to the iPad. To use the iPad's Keynote I will need to change all my existing KeyNote classnotes (hundreds of pages) to remove the fonts that the iPad does not like, to remove grouped objects and other formatting that the iPad does not like, and so on. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the inclination to dumb down my years of carefully-prepared presentations in this manner


    Again it just wasn't designed to do serious productivity tasks.


    I had thought that the iPad will give me the ability to make presentations more easily and to edit documents while on the road, without having to lug around a laptop. Looks like I am not the target audience for this device yet.


    I think at launch it is mainly for gaming and media or those who want the latest gadget.


    I understand that it is a new device so perhaps things will become smoother over time. In the meanwhile, I am looking for helpful suggestions/tips from other users that may be in a similar bind.

    Other than that, it is a great piece of technology but, alas, not for what I had in mind.


    I like it too, but I don't think I would use it as a device to run a serious presentation.
    MacBook Air/Pro, Powerbook, iPhone and others.
  • marconiusrex Level 2 Level 2 (345 points)
    Hopefully you are right about them updating the software soon. IMHO it's just a big iPod if it doesn't have a fully functioning iWorks software.
    Mac Book Pro (Nov 2008), Mac OS X (10.6.3), 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo,7200 rpm HD, 4GB SDRAM, 6Mb cache, 160GB Ipod Classic
  • kreme Calculating status...
    I'm surprised that so many people here are surprised by the limited functionality. The first thing I noticed was this:

    iWork (Mac) = $99.99
    iWork (iPad) = $9.99

    The first thing that came to mind was that it would not be the same, just by that obvious price difference alone.

    For an $80 difference and the difference in the length of time it would take to download either version, there is no way I would expect anywhere near the same level of functionality. Yet, so many people do.

    I guess I've just gotten used to the fact that every handheld I've owned has had limited functionality in comparison to a full-blown mac, pc, or laptop/book that I would have expected the same from the iPad's apps (not to be confused with full blown 'software'). Not to mention that even Apple mentioned in their video that the iPad was not designed to replace a laptop/book - it was designed to fill a gap in between the smartphone/iPhone/netbook as an entirely different device that is unto its own.
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  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,930 points)
    For an $80 difference


    Not that it matters, but you have the price wrong. It's $30 for iPad iWork (the apps are sold separately).
    iMac Intel/2C2D, eMac G4/700, Mac OS X (10.6), 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 9.2
  • kennmsr Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    kreme wrote:
    I'm surprised that so many people here are surprised by the limited functionality. The first thing I noticed was this:

    iWork (Mac) = $99.99
    iWork (iPad) = $9.99

    The first thing that came to mind was that it would not be the same, just by that obvious price difference alone.


    I think you better go back to the Apple Store, iWork is only $79 MSRP ($99 for family pack - 5 licenses) and iPad iWork is really $27.97 (3x$9.99) and yes it's $50 less expensive and to me that means I will have limited editing and creative abilities, NOT viewing restrictions. You would not be happy with a mail program that limited how you viewed your mail and the same with PDFs. With all the Rage about Flash not being available, why shouldn't we iWork users have a little upset at not being able to view Apple Program documents across the full product line where the application is available. I could see if it was Office, being an outside supplier, but this is an in-house application. As I mentioned in an earlier post if the programs are that restrictive PLEASE don't use the same program names, use Pages-Not, or Keynote-Crippled.
    PowerBook G4, G4 iMac 15", 16GB iPad, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Mac Consultant to Education
  • cokeicee Level 1 Level 1 (90 points)
    not to get into this but 9.99 x 3 is 29.97 not 27.97
    just saying
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  • kennmsr Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    cokeicee wrote:
    not to get into this but 9.99 x 3 is 29.97 not 27.97
    just saying

    Sorry I was using Numbers on my iPad ;-D, because the iPad doesn't come with a Calculator App like the iPhone or iPod Touch (Senior Moment)

    Message was edited by: kennmsr
    PowerBook G4, G4 iMac 15", 16GB iPad, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Mac Consultant to Education
  • Ewen Level 6 Level 6 (11,790 points)
    kennmsr wrote:
    cokeicee wrote:
    not to get into this but 9.99 x 3 is 29.97 not 27.97
    just saying

    Sorry I was using Numbers on my iPad ;-D, because the iPad doesn't come with a Calculator App like the iPhone or iPod Touch (Senior Moment)

    Message was edited by: kennmsr


    LOLZ, but I think there are freeware third-party Calc app downloads. I think it not so much the cost of the iWork apps myself, more that it's a shame Apple don't point out their limitations more clearly and obviously.
    MacBook Air/Pro, Powerbook, iPhone and others.

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