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Q: Connecting LaserWriter directly to Mac Pro

I'm trying to setup a LaserWriter 16/600 under OS 10.6.3. It's been connected to a PPC Mac through a Farallon EtherWave AAUI Transceiver and a Router and an Ethernet Switch, working good. Now I try hook it up to a Mac Pro. This has two Ethernet ports built in, and I'd be glad if I could use the second port for the printer (eliminating the need for the ethernet switch), but: it only works if the first ethernet port is free (Internet not connected). Is it not possible to use the second port of the 09 Mac Pro in this way?

Mac OS X (10.6.3)

Posted on May 31, 2010 9:07 AM

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Q: Connecting LaserWriter directly to Mac Pro

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  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 31, 2010 12:48 PM in response to namcomm
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    May 31, 2010 12:48 PM in response to namcomm
    You could try using Internet Sharing to make the connection using the second port.
    System Preferences > Sharing \[√] Internet Sharing

    Your printer will need an IP address. If it cannot get one working through the MacPro, you may need to assign it one manually.
  • by namcomm,

    namcomm namcomm May 31, 2010 1:49 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    May 31, 2010 1:49 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    Didn't work.

    What do you mean? I still know the IP address of the printer, since I wrote it down when I was still able to use Apple Printer Utility. I used this when adding the LPD printer and it works (when the second ethernet cable is not attached). Do I have to enter the printers IP in the Network settings?
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    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 31, 2010 4:18 PM in response to namcomm
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    May 31, 2010 4:18 PM in response to namcomm
    My reference to Ethernet addresses above was a broad general comment. Many users find that setting the printer's Ethernet Address initially can be a major issue. If your printer already has an Ethernet Address, you are all set in this regard.

    Do you have your own Router with Ethernet ports on it, or are you cabled directly to your ISP's interface (cable modem, DSL modem, or similar) ?
  • by namcomm,

    namcomm namcomm May 31, 2010 4:29 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    May 31, 2010 4:29 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    It's a DSL modem "with router function" but only one ethernet port - so I used to use an ethernet switch to have the additional port for the printer.
    Oddly though this has also stopped working when printer AND omputer where both hooked up...
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 31, 2010 4:42 PM in response to namcomm
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    May 31, 2010 4:42 PM in response to namcomm
    A Switch accepts good packets from all sources, and momentarily stores them and then forwards them on the cable most likely to connect to the right destination. It easily accommodates mixed speeds.

    A Hub simply repeats the signals presented at each input port at all the other output ports. It knows nothing about packets, and cannot adjust for different speeds.

    Your LaserWriter is definitely 10Base-T. Your computer can likely do 1000Base-T but is probably running 100Base-T, the most common speed for a DSL modem.

    If that box is actually a Hub, it will not be able to adjust to the mixed speeds. If it is a Switch, there is some hope. An older Switch may need special attention to straight vs crossover cables. The lights on the Switch can help you see whether a valid connection has been made or not.
  • by namcomm,

    namcomm namcomm May 31, 2010 4:49 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    May 31, 2010 4:49 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    Ok - but this Switch (which I think it is) has worked in the past with another Mac in this configuration (Router > Switch > Mac/Printer), so the general setup cannot be the fault...?

    What are the two ports in the Mac Pro, do they form something like a Switch in itself? Or would that be a Hub? Or am I completely of here?
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    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 31, 2010 5:15 PM in response to namcomm
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    May 31, 2010 5:15 PM in response to namcomm
    The Sharing setup is usually used to connect a stray Wireless device or two into a Wired network, or connect a stray Ethernet device into a wireless network, using your Mac as a Switch. But since you have a second Ethernet port, you should be able to connect your second Ethernet port into your existing Ethernet network.

    Your query sent me into the Apple knowledgebase after more Mac Pro information. I turned up this:

    Maximizing Ethernet Performance
    Your computer performs best when the Ethernet port to which it is connected is set to auto-negotiate. Ask your network administrator to verify this setting.


    Which reminds me that the LaserWriter will not be able to auto-negotiate a speed when Sharing port 2, so you would manually have to set the speed to 10Base-T in:
    System Preferences >Network > Ethernet port 2 > Ethernet pane
  • by namcomm,

    namcomm namcomm Jun 1, 2010 2:06 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jun 1, 2010 2:06 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    That did sound promising, but unfortunatly... didn't work out.

    I admit not knowing too much about networking, but obviously since the printer does connect and print fine the very second I pull the other ethernet plug of the router - somehow this must be to blame?

    Does the IP address of the printer have to be in the same scheme as the IP of the router and the IP of the Mac? In other words xyz.xyz.xyz.1 and xyz.xyz.xyz.36 or so?

    What does "self assigned" IP adress under the IPv4 tab mean?
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,Solvedanswer

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jun 1, 2010 5:01 AM in response to namcomm
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    Jun 1, 2010 5:01 AM in response to namcomm
    Does the IP address of the printer have to be in the same scheme as the IP of the router and the IP of the Mac? In other words xyz.xyz.xyz.1 and xyz.xyz.xyz.36 or so?

    What does "self assigned" IP adress under the IPv4 tab mean?


    Those two questions are intertwined, and include the Subnet Mask as well.

    An Ethernet device can communicate freely with any device on the same subnet, i.e., that matches the Subnet mask hi-order bits. Most private Networks are using something like 192.168.0.zzz with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. That means any device that matches in the top three bytes can communicate directly, and all other require a Router to intervene for each packet.

    When an Ethernet device first wakes up, it does not know what to use for an Ethernet Address, so it self-assigns an arbitrary address in the range 169.254.xxx.yyy with a Subnet Mask of 255.255.000.000 and broadcasts a request for a Router to give it a better Ethernet Address.
  • by namcomm,

    namcomm namcomm Jun 3, 2010 3:55 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jun 3, 2010 3:55 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    I think I made it. After rereading your post a few days later I tried setting the second Ethernet port to IPv4 "manual" and entered a random IP address as you say "in the same range" as the printer and set the same subnet mask as the first ethernet port (255.255.255.0 as you guessed) and... voila! Ok, I do not have a clue why this works, but I see no problems so far. Thanks for your support!
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jun 3, 2010 4:24 PM in response to namcomm
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    Jun 3, 2010 4:24 PM in response to namcomm
    That's great!

    So is this correct? You got it to work by:

    • Making sure the printer had an IP Address
    • "Internet Sharing" your (main) Ethernet connection onto the second Ethernet port.
    • Assigning a Manual IPv4 Address "in the same range" (but avoiding .255) to the second Ethernet port and setting the Subnet Mask to 255.255.255.0
    • ?? manually setting the speed to 10Base-T ?? or did it take care of that itself?
  • by namcomm,

    namcomm namcomm Jun 3, 2010 4:35 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jun 3, 2010 4:35 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    So is this correct? You got it to work by:

    • Making sure the printer had an IP Address


    Yes

    • "Internet Sharing" your (main) Ethernet connection onto the second Ethernet port.


    No (I think...), Internet Sharing is not active.

    • Assigning a Manual IPv4 Address "in the same range" (but avoiding .255) to
    the second Ethernet port and setting the Subnet Mask to 255.255.255.0


    Yes

    ?? manually setting the speed to 10Base-T ?? or did it take care of that itself?


    No, it did take care of that. It's set to automatic.