7263 Views 16 Replies Latest reply: Sep 20, 2011 9:36 PM by dwebb23
Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2010 4:21 AM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)HI,
I'm running Safari 5 on v10.6.4 without any problems with Command ` cycling through open windows without Tabs.
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Try some suggestions and see if it makes a difference.
From the Safari Menu Bar, click Safari / Reset Safari. Select the top 7 buttons and click Reset. Relaunch Safari. If Command ` still doesn't cycle through open windows...
Go here for trouble shooting 3rd party plugins or input managers which might be causing the problem. Safari: Add-ons may cause Safari to unexpectedly quit or have performance issues
If third party add-on's aren't the issue, go to the Safari Menu Bar, click Safari/Preferences. Make note of all the preferences under each tab. Quit Safari. Now go to ~/Library/Preferences and move this file com.apple.safari.plist to the Desktop.
Relaunch Safari and see if that makes a difference. If not, move the .plist file back to the Preferences folder. If Command ~ works now, move that .plist file to the Trash.
And if you didn't repair disk permissions after the update(s) were installed, it would be beneficial to do that.
Launch Disk Utility. (Applications/Utilities) Select MacintoshHD in the panel on the left, select the FirstAid tab. Click: Repair Disk Permissions. When it's finished from the Menu Bar, Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac. If you see a long list of "messages" in the permissions window, it's ok. That can be ignored. As long as you see, "Permissions Repair Complete" when it's finished... you're done. Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac.
Hope something helped...
CarolynIntel iMac 2.66 iPad 32GB iPhone 3GS. MBAir, Mac OS X (10.6.4), QTPro Intuos Tablet Epson Olympus Airport iPods JBL
Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2010 10:35 AM (in response to Carolyn Samit)I am running 10.6.4. It's just that when I fist updated it (on the first day it was available), Apple had not yet added 10.6.4 to the Forum settings. But now it's there and I have updated it in my profile.
Before I do any of your suggested fixes, I would need to know that the behavior my Safari is exhibiting is abnormal. Because I think that nothing is "wrong" with my Safari -- I think this new behavior is built-in and it is the way it's supposed to be. So that all the fixes in the world won't change anything.
So, what I'd really like to see is a report from someone --anyone -- that Safari 5.0 behaves the same way for them, or differently for them.
I just did a test myself and it took exactly one minute. Can someone do it for me and report back?
Here's the simple test:
"Minimize" all your existing Safari windows to get them out of the way.
Open a new window, for example, a Google home page. Type in the number "1" in a text field.
Open a second Google (or whatever) page, type in a "2" in a text field.
Do this all the way up to 7 open pages.
Then start hitting "Command-`." If you just hit Command-` repeatedly and do nothing else, you will indeed rotate through the windows like so: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1-7-6-5-4-3.....etc.
NOW HERE'S THE TEST. In the middle of this cycle, close window #4. What happens next to you? In the "old" Safari, you'd keep cycling backwards through the windows 3-2-1-7-6-5-3-2-1-7...etc.
But in Safari 5.0, this what happens to me: After closing window #4, I "bounce back" and now I'm heading in the opposite direction, so that after closing the window #4 it goes 5-6-7-1-2-3-5-6-7-1...etc.
Continue the test by now closing window #6 when you get back to it. Once again, you will "bounce" backwards. So that you will be going 1-2-3-5-6-[close window 6]-5-3-2-1-7-5-3...etc.!
Tell me: is that how Safari behaves for you? (Or anyone reading this?) If so, then my Safari isn't "broken," it's behaving exactly as it is designed to be behaving.
So if that is the case (which I suspect), then my question is not how to "fix" Safari, because fixing it won't alter the behavior, but rather: Are there are settings that can be changed or keyboard shortcuts altered or whatever that can restore the "old Safari" way of behaving?15" MacBookPro, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2010 2:42 PM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)Also, a related issue, not as important:
A new feature in Safari 5.0 is that when one clicks on a link on a Web page while holding down the Command key, it opens the new linked-to page behind the current window. In previous versions of Safari, when one clicked a link with the Command key held down, it opened a new window +on top of+ the current window.
Why the change? And is there any way to revert to the old behavior?
I don't mind this as much, but I thought I'd mention it because it may be related to the way the windows bounce back and forth while flipping through them (as described above).15" MacBookPro, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 25, 2010 11:27 AM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)Has anybody done the test yet? It would only take a minute or two, and would help put this bedeviling question to rest. Is my Safari behavior a standard feature, or is something wrong? And if it is a standard feature, is there any way to change it?15" MacBookPro, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2010 2:18 AM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)Tuffy, you're not the only one experiencing this problem; it's been happening to me since I installed Snow Leopard and it drives me CRAZY! I've noticed it happens not only in Safari but also in Chrome and Firefox.
I did find one other mention of it, here: http://www.betalogue.com/2009/10/14/window-order/
I REALLY want to find a way to fix this, so I can go back to cycling through my windows in a logical order. Let me know if you find a solution.MacBook Pro5, 1, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2010 11:47 AM (in response to argylerobot)argylerobot:
Thanks for the reply. Well, if you're also experiencing the exact same window behavior, then it must be a built-in standard feature, and not some malfunctioning problem with my Safari.
I see that the blog post in the link you posted describes the exact same problem, and the author is none too pleased.
Anybody else have their "Command-`" cycle through windows with the bounce-back behavior? And if so, ever find a way to "fix" this new feature?
The author in the link says,
+"Maybe someone at Apple would argue that this is a feature and not a bug. I don’t know. I fail to see how clicking on a window that is already in the foreground indicates in any way that I want to change the order of the windows in my application.+
+But I highly doubt that it’s intentional. I am pretty much convinced that it is a bug, because “Cycle Through Windows” is probably not an important command for most Apple engineers, and they probably broke this thing without realizing it.+
+So I am filing a bug report. And if it bothers you as much as it bothers me, I strongly urge you to do the same."+
Should I file a bug report too?15" MacBookPro, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2010 9:04 PM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)I've been experiencing this maddening wackiness as well! I've resorted to opening the Windows drop down menu, then one by one, click on each window, in order to see all the tabs that are open. If I use the keyboard shortcut, invariably, it will bounce back & forth between two, three, sometimes maybe four windows, & not go anywhere else. It will break that loop, if you hold the top key, instead of just pressing & releasing it. However, it's not very controllable, but will bust out of the loop, so you at least end up on a new window, & with luck hit some others, before hitting a previous one, it's really a mess....
It does the same thing when I try to scroll through Stickies as well, it will just bounce between two or three windows....iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.4), 20" Dual Core, 2g Ram
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2010 1:00 AM (in response to Saxman)I've just discovered that this same behavior now happens in other Apple applications too -- for example Preview, which will go in a "cycle" through several open windows unless one moves a window or closes a window, in which case the cycle will "bounce" and start going the other direction.
It probably happens in other Apple applications now too, but I'm too afraid to look.
***??? It's really beginning to seem like this is a new feature, not a bug.
But why? Why change a reliable and useful behavior to be much worse? Makes no sense.
Anybody else notice this, and find it disturbing? What can be done to "fix" it?15" MacBookPro, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2010 4:38 AM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)I've been having trouble with Safari for the past few months, too, but mainly with freezing and crashings. Mine is behaving better now, and I think it was related to the Conduit-based toolbars which various sites and programs want one to install. When I uninstalled them, the spinning balls quit occurring for the most part. However, my Safari 5 behaves just as did my Safari 4 in terms of cycling through windows--they cycle in order and don't "bounce" around as you describe.
Actually, I like new windows to open behind my current window, too, which is the default behavior in Firefox. However, I think if you tweak the Safari Preferences settings under the Safari Menu (Cmd-,) and click on the Tabs icon, you will find some boxes to check which will address the activity of the page upon opening. You can change your action, I believe. I don't know if this will affect your window cycling toggling problem, which I am not experiencing.PM9600/233 (OS 8.6;9.1); G3 white iBook (OS X 10.4.11); G4 MacMini (10.4.10), Performa 6320 (OS 8.1); MacPlus (OS 6.0.8), MacBook (OS X 10.5.8)
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2010 4:44 AM (in response to taerchen)Taerchen, it looks like you're running Tiger; I'm fairly certain this issue is specific to Snow Leopard.
Tuffy: I submitted a bug report and I suggest you do, too. The more people who complain about this, the more likely someone will fix it in an update or the next build.MacBook Pro5, 1, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJul 1, 2010 11:09 PM (in response to argylerobot)OK, I "submitted a bug report" (by choosing "Report Bugs to Apple..." in the "Safari" menu in Safari). Hope that was the right way to do it. Everyone who also noticed this behavior: Complain to Apple too!15" MacBookPro, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedJul 16, 2010 7:51 AM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)Submitted my feedback too. This is something that is super frustrating. I use that keyboard shortcut so much and got so fed up with it that I went back to Leopard on my home machine.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 24, 2010 11:28 AM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)I was so thrilled to find this topic, hoping that there would be an easy fix! Well, I have the same problem with the windows in Safari 5.0. I much prefer the old version where the windows were cycled through in a predictable way. This new version is crazy. Hard to believe someone thought of it as an improvement. I don't at all believe this is a "bug" like some folks have written in this forum... If there is a way to get Safari 5.0 to behave as it did in the older version in cycling through the windows, I also would love to know...iMac 2.8 Core i5, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 7, 2011 8:58 AM (in response to Tuffy Nicolas)If you hold down shift while pressing command +` (tilde) I've found you get the old behavior back. But it's a challenge to do this with one hand.Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.6)