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This is almost (no, actually it is) comical. So, what you are saying is that people who buy iPads and Keynote, but actually expect to use it for presentations are fools who should have bought MacBooks instead? So, is the iPad just a toy for kids practice the concept of giving a presentation, so that one day when they grow up, they will transition to 'real' Keynote on a 'real' computer? Seriously people. Drop the fanboy act and hold Apple's feet to the fire until they fix this stuff.
I've been an avid Apple fan now for nearly 25 years... and some of you people are really embarrassing me in these forums. First, we all have to try and convince the 'PC' world that the iPad isn't just a toy... then when they buy it and complain that it does not do something entirely reasonable to expect it to do, then we say, 'Oh, you expected it to not be a toy? You should have bought a real computer." (hangs head in shame...)
Wanting to control a presentation via a bluetooth remote IS NOT wanting a cheap MacBook, it is expecting to use the product as intended.
Oh my gosh people....
Not it is NOT expecting too much out of the iPad....
And, you're ABSOLUTELY correct that Apple made a major naming blunder if they didn't intend Keynote, etc. to actually be usable.
I'm holding out hope that Apple really does intend to make it useable, and that this is just a v1... and that you're simply a fanboy.
Sorry for the tone, but you fanboys are giving responses that completely embarrass me as a LONG TIME Apple supporter. Please don't just come to these forums if you know nothing and give fanboy responses. Save that for CNet debates.
David M Brewer wrote:
I use Keynote on the iPad everyday...no problems here. I really don't care to hear peoples short sighted opinions about a product.
Exactly my point! The iPad has incredible capability, so long as Apple recognizes these short-comings and addresses them. What prompted my posts were people telling others who have legitimate complaints NOT to expect so much out of the iPad (ie: toy), in a lame attempt to try to defend Apple (ie: fanboy-ism) where they don't need defended.
I'm sure you do use it everyday... but are you seriously going to try and tell me it doesn't need a remote or presenter notes to be a descent presenter tool? Sure, you can use it, but let's be reasonable here please.
Also, there seems to be no technical reason it couldn't have a remote... and if presenter notes are technically impossible, it would be nice to know that so we can make an informed choice. And I REALLY don't like the inference several here have made that some of us looking to make the iPad work as we might expect are just being cheap. I ALREADY own SEVERAL Apple computers, including a MacBook Pro. I'm looking at the iPad for portability and battery life and mobile usability, not because it is cheap.
Yes a remote is needed.
In my case I run the sound board and the the keynote presentation. Sometime I have to go up front and say something to the crowd. Before I had a remote for my desktop I would get someone to advance to the next slide. When I got the remote he lost his job.
With the iPad I don't have to drag a desktop w/external hard drives to a presentation anymore. If I need something off the desktop I just leave it running and use the iPad to access the file.
Apple could have just left keynote off of the iPad all to gether. it will get better with time. Look at the iPhone 4, it's a killer phone. It took them three years to get to where they are now with the iPhone. I don't care for cell phones... The new iPhone could convert me.
I'm still waiting for an adequate response to the original question as well. I teach, and I move around the classroom while lecturing. I've used the iPhone's Keynote Remote in conjunction with my MacBook Pro before, and it worked fairly well. But I'm 40 now, and it's not the easiest thing to read my lecture notes off the small iPhone screen. I assumed (incorrectly, it seems) that one of the more practical uses for an iPad would be replacing my iPhone, one way or another, in class lectures, i.e., being able to walk around the room with my iPad, referring to my lecture notes on that device while also running a Keynote presentation running on my MacBook.
It seems to me that all this would take is a Keynote Remote app for the iPad. Who do I contact to make that request?
This whole discussion has REALLY turned me off the iPad. Luckily it's still taking some time until we get it here in NZ otherwise I'd have bought already.
My main (excuse) reason for buying an iPad is for having something light that can do presentations and I don't need or want a notebook even if it's Air. So I was excited when they announced Keynote (with all it's little flaws) for the iPad.
But then I thought... wait I need a clicker... Since the dock is gone due to the VGA connector it needs to be BT/WiFi. ....well long story short, not even an Apple BT keyboard works!
This is not LAME....THIS *****!!! BIGTIME.
Ok...Apple you listening?! I WON'T BUY AN IPAD UNTIL YOU FIX THIS!!!!!
I've about had it with Apple excuse of "making it stable so that's why it won't work". Up to the iPhone OS2 I still believed in that and did agree but I am starting to loose my cool. Apple you are abusing your sense of doing right by the consumer. You are plainly aiming for earnings maximation to the detriment of the customer (also see tethering the iPad to the iPhone...-not-). Although it pains me the AAPL shares for me went from buy to hold, teetering on the brink of sell.
Or maybe I can rephrase that into: "Apple, if you think cool & usable can be replaced with cool & " ", then you ARE mistaken".
I use "2Screens - Presentation Expert" rather than Keynote. It mirrors iPad to projector (slides show on the iPad) and has a built-in web browser. There is also now "2Screens Remote" for iPhone/iPod Touch that works via Bluetooth for moving slides forward, back, go to a certain page. Works great in a classroom.
I teach high school and currently use a laptop and iPod Touch to control presentations, but I'm always looking for a way to cut down on the amount of stuff I have to carry in and out of the building. Since my subject only really requires Keynote, Pages, and Safari, the iPad looked brilliant as a mobile presenting tool. I imagined I'd just sync my work to it at home, then be able to give quick presentations in whatever room I found myself in.
Glad I didn't buy one, now.
And look, I understand you folks who say that we shouldn't expect it to be a computer. I don't. As stated, I expect it to be a couple of key applications in a lightweight, convenient package. I guess it was just a shock that it sports Apple-made presentation software, but requires the presenter to practically grip the podium. Really I'd even be okay with it if it couldn't create and edit Keynote presentations (the Mac will probably always be better at that), so long as it could be an outstanding platform for giving them.
Either way, I still have hope for an update, and will be watching closely. The day it meets my needs as a presenter is the day I order one.
Steve, thank you! You hit it dead on.
I paid $800 for the iPad, $30 for the VGA adapter, and $10 for Keynote. Now people here are saying "get a laptop". I already have several, if I wanted to use a laptop I'd take the iPad back to the store for a refund. All we need is a decent wire less remote and this would be a fantastic portable presentation tool. It isn't that hard to implement, and I expect we'll see it eventually, I just hope it doesn't take too long.
This has been a bug for me too - there's only one app I've found to work this - 2screens - which has a remote for the iphone, ipod touch using bluetooth (sorry if I'm telling you what you already know) - used it 'in anger' in a presentation to a class of first year students today and it worked. I would just love Apple to bring out a bluetooth presentation 'clicker' for Keynote - and with all due respect to Mr Jobs and his colleagues, a relatively modest bit of coding would make the ipad the machine of choice in my University and practice. but until then . . .
BTW anyone who say 'just use a laptop' is missing the whole point IMO - been there, done that, but now the ipad should change everything.