5325 Views 22 Replies Latest reply: Oct 14, 2010 11:11 AM by David Sasser
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2010 6:01 AM (in response to David Sasser)David,
The new ATV ignores all the iTunes Extra content. Maybe that will come in the future?
CheersiMac 27" i7, iMac 20", Mini(2010) Server, MBPro, MBAir, iPhone 3GS, TV, iPad, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2010 7:27 AM (in response to captfred)NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I'm officially not buying it next month as I had planned to. I'l keep what I have.PB, MBP x2, MB, iMac x2, AppleTV x2, iPod, Shuffle, Nano x3, Touch x4, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2010 9:14 AM (in response to David Sasser)This is so turned me off. iTunes Extras (having DVD-like extras and menus) on the TV was a huge deal in my opinion. In fact, I've made it a point to now only buy movies when they are in HD and have iTunes Extras. Some of us were afraid of what streaming only might mean to iTunes Extras. Here is some more info....
-iTunes Extras is no longer a link in the Movies sidebar of the iTunes Store.
-T2 (an older movie) now says the following... "iTunes Extras is only for use on a Mac or PC with iTunes 9 or later, or on Apple TV (1st generation with version 3.0 or later), and is not included with rental."
-Get Him to the Greek (a new movie) says... "This iTunes Extras is only for use on a Mac or PC with iTunes 9 or later."
So to make matters worse, it appears as if new movies iTunes Extras may not even work on 1st Gen TVs. In fact with the category gone, perhaps its just going away. What a shame. I could care less about buying extras and menus if I can ONLY use that feature on a full-blown computer.PB, MBP x2, MB, iMac x2, AppleTV x2, iPod, Shuffle, Nano x3, Touch x4, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2010 3:25 PM (in response to David Sasser)this is disgusting. I had no idea they were going to do this. I just unboxed my tv2 and this is killing me, iTunes Extras was a huge selling point for me, i thoroughly enjoyed it. Who watches movies on the computer? they don't even look right unless they're HD. The loss of iTunes Extras and iTunes LP is detrimental to me, I'm probably returning my AppleTV tomorrow night.Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2010 5:31 PM (in response to David Sasser)This is exactly what I was afraid of. This is very disappointing. Over the past year I've been deleting my already-purchased videos in place of HD Videos with iTunes Extras. I suppose until Apple adds this compatibility (which I can only assume they would, as they've invested R&D/marketing into it and their consumers have invested heavily as well) I'll have to hold off on purchasing ATV2, which ***** as I was so excited to nab one tomorrow.MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5.8)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2010 8:07 PM (in response to Michele Gardner)I am in agreement with everyone on this thread so far. Trying to wrap my head around what Apple has done with the new ATV just makes my brain hurt. Sure ATV2 gives us Netflix and AirPlay (eventually). But it takes away some of the most compelling reasons to own an ATV in the first place!
My family and I quite proudly stepped forward last year and became consumers that wholly embrace digital content. We simply don't purchase physical media anymore, and when it comes to movies the ATV was the first device that finally made us feel that this was a valid paradigm to embrace. In particular, iTunes Extras erased the notion that you needed to buy a DVD or BluRay to get special features and extended content. This seems like a tiny detail, but when I brought up Ice Age 3 for the first time and saw the DVD-like Extras menu, it single-handedly triggered the paradigm shift for me.
We've bought so many movies via the ATV. Why did Apple eliminate the "buy" option with ATV2? Sure it doesn't have it's own storage, but why can't it simply work as a front-end to an iTunes library. The original ATV is basically that...even more so with the Remote 2 update for iPad. Why remove this fabulous functionality from ATV2?
Look, I can understand that Apple is trying to build a mass-market product here. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt...that they had to remove features in order to bring the price down, make it a more attractive product to the mainstream, etc. But where I draw the line, and what really makes me feel cheated, is +removing features+ from a device I already own. Especially some of my +favorite features+! So now Extras content moving forward will not work with my ATV?!?! How long until I won't be able to purchase content with my ATV either? How long until Apple just kills the original ATV functionality all together? It's entirely possible that Apple could make a significant back-end change to iTunes and fail to release a patch for ATV that renders it useless for browsing and buying from the iTunes store. Wouldn't surprise me the slightest bit.
Steve Jobs is such a funny guy. Remember when the press kept bugging him about offering a rental option for music in the iTunes store? And he proclaimed over and over that people want to own their content? Now all of a sudden making ATV "rental only" is a feature I'm supposed to be excited about?
Bottom line...the ATV2 is a significantly inferior product to the original. And because of this, we original ATV owners get to look forward to losing features.
Terribly disappointing, Apple.
And by the way, does anybody really care about Netflix on the ATV? These days you can't throw a rock without hitting a device that streams Netflix. Half the reason I don't watch many Netflix streams is because I'm too busy trying to decide what **** device to use to stream it in the first place!24" iMac, 2 iPads, iPhone 4, iPhone 3gs, ATV, Custom PC w/, Windows 7, Core i7 860, 4GB DDR3 1600, Radeon HD 5870
Currently Being ModeratedSep 30, 2010 8:14 PM (in response to Michele Gardner)
Michele Gardner wrote:
So to make matters worse, it appears as if new movies iTunes Extras may not even work on 1st Gen TVs. In fact with the category gone, perhaps its just going away. What a shame. I could care less about buying extras and menus if I can ONLY use that feature on a full-blown computer.
By the way, can anyone who might have purchased "Iron Man 2" or "Get Him to the Greek" confirm that the latest Extras content does not play on ATV1?24" iMac, 2 iPads, iPhone 4, iPhone 3gs, ATV, Custom PC w/, Windows 7, Core i7 860, 4GB DDR3 1600, Radeon HD 5870
Currently Being ModeratedOct 1, 2010 5:19 AM (in response to David Sasser)I was an early adopter of ATV 1st Gen and now just bought the ATV 2nd Gen. (bought yesterday)
I saw the evolution of the ATV 1st Gen over the 3 years, and I expect that will happen with the 2nd gen as well. I bet they had a delivery date to hit and had to leave out certain features that will come in future software updates. (I hope anyway)
There are a number of things that irritate me about lack of functionality and differences in the way things work from the ATV 1st gen, but hope they will get fixed over time. For example, I use the feature of populating Show on Movies which allows certain related movies to be organized inside of folders. That feature does not work on the ATV 2nd Gen. I hope they add it in the future because my movie collection is unwieldy without that feature.
And Yah, I noticed the lack of iTunes Extra support tooiMac 24, MBP, iMac G5, Iphone 3g, iPad, ATV-1, ATV-2,etc., Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 1, 2010 5:36 AM (in response to Midijamman)Using Show for folders doesn't work either?? Plus all my iTunes Extras would be useless if I "upgraded". Plus I have yet to hear photos work seamlessly without the sync feature. These issues along with all the streaming/library issues I'm hearing about has made up my mind that I'm not replacing what I have. What a shame. TV is still a hobby. I can tell because it feels like one or two people worked on it and no testing was done.PB, MBP x2, MB, iMac x2, AppleTV x2, iPod, Shuffle, Nano x3, Touch x4, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 1, 2010 4:33 PM (in response to David Sasser)I really hope Apple fixes this.
I bought the new AppleTv and have had two disappointments from it already.
First it doesn't work on my older HDTV, so I have to use it on my much smaller (but newer)
set and now the iTunes LP function doesn't work with it.
I don't plan on returning the unit so I hope Apple fixes this. This machine will be awesome
when (and if) it fully utilizes Airplay and iTunes Extras.iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 4, 2010 5:08 AM (in response to David Sasser)I'm, like all of you, unhappy about this development. I bought the new Apple TV for the lower power, Netflix, and TV rentals. I didn't imagine I'd be losing the ability to play the extra content on all the HD movies I'd purchased.
Thinking about it, I'm guessing this is related to the move to the A4 processor and iOS. Extras content is coded for OS X and an Intel Core processor. As the prior Apple TV was simply as stripped down Mac, and the new on is essentially a stripped down iPhone, it doesn't bode well for Extras ever working.MBP 2.66 GHz i7, 8 GB/480GB SSD, 24" LED Cinema Display, Mac OS X (10.6.4), iPhone 4, iPad 3G, iPod Nano 5G, TV, Canon (HV20, 5D MkII, 30D, G10)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 4, 2010 9:53 AM (in response to KBeat)
Thinking about it, I'm guessing this is related to the move to the A4 processor and iOS. Extras content is coded for OS X and an Intel Core processor. As the prior Apple TV was simply as stripped down Mac, and the new on is essentially a stripped down iPhone, it doesn't bode well for Extras ever working.
Actually I don't think the ATV2 would have any trouble playing Extras content. In fact, according to iLounge.com, inital reports were that iTunes Extras and LP content were specifically designed with the iPad in mind (http://bit.ly/bEMWMp). From what I understand, the menus themselves are nothing more than standard html/xml, basically web pages. And the content itself obviously just h264 video.
I believe the problem is lack of storage on the ATV2. Extras content on the ATV1 is copied over when synchronizing with an iTunes library. Without ample local storage, Apple would need to enable the ATV2 to access Extras over the network (basically the same way any device accesses web content over the internet). Which would be very simple to implement and work just fine on anything but a very poor home network. However there are no doubt a ton of "poor" home networks out there, and getting Extras to work on these could cause consumer confusion, increase support calls, basically meaning more money spent on support. So without additional local storage or some kind of intelligent mechanism to cache Extras content on the ATV2, it's probably not going to happen.
Bottom line someone at Apple determined that the cost of supporting Extras on the ATV2 is greater than the loss of money associated with dissatisfied ATV customers. Honestly I would not be surprised if Apple drops Extras all together. I highly doubt more than 5 or 10% of iTunes customers even care about them. Another one of Apple's "hobbies" which likely didn't catch on. Which is why they've been eliminated from ATV all together, and why they didn't bother bringing them to iPad as originally intended.
Boy it would be nice if someone from Apple could respond with an official word on this issue!24" iMac, 2 iPads, iPhone 4, iPhone 3gs, ATV, Custom PC w/, Windows 7, Core i7 860, 4GB DDR3 1600, Radeon HD 5870
Currently Being ModeratedOct 4, 2010 11:42 AM (in response to David Sasser)I hope you're right David, about the ability to play the content, as then it's something they could add with an update. However, I don't think storage is the issue. I don't sync any of my movies to the Apple TV, they all stream from my MacBook Pro, and I was able to play the Extras content fine on the old version. So if they streamed fine then, they should be able to stream fine now.
As far as cacheing goes, there is 8 GB of flash storage space on this model for just such purposes. Given the relatively small size of the Extras & LP content, I don't think that's the limitation.
No matter, I'm with you, official word is required on this issue.MBP 2.66 GHz i7, 8 GB/480GB SSD, 24" LED Cinema Display, Mac OS X (10.6.4), iPhone 4, iPad 3G, iPod Nano 5G, TV, Canon (HV20, 5D MkII, 30D, G10)