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Strange Knob Behaviour

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Oct 5, 2010 2:18 AM
Hi all,

since updating to Mainstage 2.0 (I'm currently on 2.1.1), my knobs from my Novation Remote Midi Controller - which used to control the volumes of the different channels in Mainstage - started to behave curiously: if I turn them very gently clockwise, the volume increases (as it should do), from the moment I start turning them a little faster they immediately jump to full scale (which is strange) and if I turn them counterclockwise in any way (to decrease the volume), they also immediately jump to full scale volume (which is even more strange)...

In Mainstage, when I "learn" a controller, the type is (according to Mainstage) "Relative (Sign Magnitude)". I tried experimenting with other types, but so far no luck.

I never changed anything internally in my MidiController and once again, in Mainstage 1 this used to work properly, so I'm really puzzled here as to what could be the problem.

Any ideas?

Thanks a lot!
MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • dingdangdawg Level 2 Level 2 (455 points)
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    Oct 5, 2010 8:37 PM (in response to Senne Guns)
    Any differences when you change the Preferences>General>Parameter Values>Respond to Hardware Moves .... (set to Jump, Pickup, or Relative setting, depending on what you want to happen)?
    {Dual 2.0 GHz G5. 2} {MacBook 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo}, Mac OS X (10.6.4), {4 GB, Apogee Duet} {4 GB, Ultralite mk3}
  • dingdangdawg Level 2 Level 2 (455 points)
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    Oct 11, 2010 8:15 AM (in response to Senne Guns)
    That's insane. Just for troubleshooting purposes, try creating a fresh, blank Concert, create a single channel strip, and assign the control(s) and map them, just to see if they do the same thing. Shooting in the dark....
    {Dual 2.0 GHz G5. 2} {MacBook 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo}, Mac OS X (10.6.4), {4 GB, Apogee Duet} {4 GB, Ultralite mk3}
  • dingdangdawg Level 2 Level 2 (455 points)
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    Oct 11, 2010 9:36 AM (in response to Senne Guns)
    I'm stumped; it makes no sense to me. The wacky thing is that the Novation works OK in one mode and not the other. I use a Nocturn, and it works as expected. The only thing I can think of is some sort of corruption in a preferences file, or some other outlier. If you are at the end of your rope and have some time, you could always save your Concerts, instruments, samples, etc, then trash all your MainStage files, and reinstall.

    Do you have another controller you could try to see if it works correctly in Perform mode? Also, what does the same controller do when using it with another application such as Logic; does it behave normally (I'm guessing it would, given that it works correctly in Layout mode). Again, I'm grasping at straws, cause I'm stuck too.
    {Dual 2.0 GHz G5. 2} {MacBook 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo}, Mac OS X (10.6.4), {4 GB, Apogee Duet} {4 GB, Ultralite mk3}
  • gilapuki Level 3 Level 3 (530 points)
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    Oct 11, 2010 11:39 AM (in response to Senne Guns)
    CurlsOnKeys wrote:
    Also: I don't have the problem with absolute knob controllers, not with the Novation nor with the Behringer controller. But I don't want an absolute knob controller, I want a relative controller to adjust volume in real time without the software volume jumping to an abslute value...


    This is not a solution to your problem, but a work around that may get you out of trouble.

    Leave the knobs as absolute & go to Preferences>General>Parameter Values>Respond to hardware move. Set that to 'Pickup'.

    Now the knobs should work the way you want them to.
    iMac G5: MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.7)
  • dingdangdawg Level 2 Level 2 (455 points)
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    Oct 12, 2010 7:16 AM (in response to Senne Guns)
    Apple keeps your older 2.0.1 version of MS when you install 2.1.1.

    To get rid of ALL of your MainStage program files (but not documents, Concerts)
    - back up your Concert files (User>username>Music>Mainstage) just in case
    - download free AppZapper utility online and install
    - drag MS 2.0.1 onto AppZapper (it deletes application and all associated program files)
    - do the same for 2.1.1
    - reinstall MS
    - create a single simple Concert first to test the Novation, before trying older Concerts

    Its interesting to me that things worked fine in 1.X, which leads me to believe there may be something broken in communication between 2.X MS and your specific controller model. I am guessing you have done online searches and checked the Novation forums? Still, desperate times call for desperate measures, so the complete deinstall, reinstall won't hurt.
    {Dual 2.0 GHz G5. 2} {MacBook 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo}, Mac OS X (10.6.4), {4 GB, Apogee Duet} {4 GB, Ultralite mk3}
  • GilbertLiddell Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Oct 15, 2010 7:18 AM (in response to Senne Guns)
    Is this resolved? I'm experiencing the same volume issue with my Edirol PCR-800 and mainstage.
  • dingdangdawg Level 2 Level 2 (455 points)
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    Oct 17, 2010 1:26 PM (in response to Senne Guns)
    That's good data. So which version worked OK, and which version "broke" your Novation response? Did it break with V 2.0.1, 2.1, or 2.1.1?

    If it broke with 2.1.X (after 2.0.X): its notable that 2.1 was the first version that added 64-bit mode. Try launching 2.1.1 in 64 and 32 bit mode and compare notes. Did anything change?

    Steps to switch bit modes: 1) Quit MainStage if it is running.
    2) Navigate to the MainStage application in the Applications folder.
    3) Choose Get Info from the Finder File menu.
    4) Disable or Enable the option to "Open in 32-bit mode" to switch modes.
    5) Restart and test.

    Beyond that, I would speculate that something broke in one of the MS updates (since your hardware/driver did not change); that, I would report it to Apple.
    {Dual 2.0 GHz G5. 2} {MacBook 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo}, Mac OS X (10.6.4), {4 GB, Apogee Duet} {4 GB, Ultralite mk3}
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