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Currently Being ModeratedNov 13, 2010 7:00 AM (in response to mikwen)Have a look at the link below,
Hope this helps.Mac Pro | MBP Unibody 17" | Mac mini SL Server | iPhone | iPad | TV |, Mac OS X (10.6.5), Adobe Design Premium CS5 | Ap 3.1 | ColorMunki Photo
Currently Being ModeratedNov 13, 2010 9:59 AM (in response to Caramel Macchiato)thanks. that is helpful, however, i am still left with the question of, "which color profile do i choose for output to Aperture Books?"iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.4), Aperture 3, iLife 9, PSCS5
Currently Being ModeratedNov 22, 2010 4:03 AM (in response to mikwen)They don't provide an ICC-profile. Simply said because it is impossible to provide a correct ICC-profile if you don't know beforehand on exactly which machine it gets printed. This is why Blurb will provide ICC-profiles only for you in their B2B section, at a cost that is. The other profile provided by Blurb is an averaged profile and isn't that great to softproof against.
That said, Apple also uses HP Indigo presses, so you could use the Blurb profile to proof against. There is another one you can Google for, it's called 'Average McCoy glossy' which is for the other type of printers Apple uses. BTW none of this is confirmed by Apple.iMac 24" 3.06 GHz, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
Currently Being ModeratedDec 1, 2010 8:03 AM (in response to Ir. Bob)thanks. i finally communicated with someone at apple and they basically said the same thing. i am including the bulk of the email response i got from them in case someone else is interested.
Thank you for contacting Apple Photo Services Customer Support. My name is Mark and I understand you would like to receive the paper and color profile used to create Apple Photo Products in Aperture.
Here are some of the technical specifications for the books. I hope this gives you an idea about their quality and form:
For all books we use GPA paper stock that is ISO 9002 and ISO 14001 environmental. To ensure the best print quality, Apple uses Xeikon, which uses dry ink, and HP Indigo technology, which uses HP ElectroInk. These inks are not generally classified as archival because they do not penetrate and bond to the substrate (paper) fibers. Instead, the ink is fused to the surface of the paper.
Regarding the color profile, I regret that I am currently unable to provide this information. Although I don't have a timeframe when this information will be available, the following should help you:
Please note that monitors provide fairly accurate color when the images are saved in an sRGB color space, however, presses are not as reliable. While we are unable to supply profiles for every ink and paper combination used to make our products, rest assured that our presses are optimally calibrated and monitored regularly. You may also consider that our presses vary slightly in their performance and even when using a profile, you may not receive the exact result you were expecting.
Our presses are adjusted to produce optimal color based on a standard user's monitor calibration, once you have ordered a few products from us, you may wish to create your own color profile. Although iPhoto and Aperture accept other file formats, your images should be in JPEG/JPG file format for the best results when ordering photo products using iPhoto or Aperture. You can use an image editor to convert your image file into this common file format. Again, we apologize that we cannot provide a color profile for you; an average has not been created at this time.
Also note that all books, greeting cards and wall calendars are printed using a four-color process. Different shades of four colors are combined to make the full spectrum of colors, including black. Because of this, images in your book may appear slightly darker than what appears on your computer's display. In addition, there will likely be variations in color between print products ordered through Apple and photos printed on a color printer attached to the computer.
For other helpful information, please see the following:
Aperture: Color and gamma settings for print and web
Building Your Color Managed Workflow
Answers to many questions about Aperture are also in the Aperture Help menu.
Important: To receive the best results, prior to ordering, make sure to preview your order by creating a PDF file. What you see in the PDF file should be what you receive in your order.
To create a PDF file of the book please follow these steps:
1) Open Aperture.
2) Click the Buy Book button.
3) Select your order settings (quantity desired, Apple ID account information, shipping information, and any coupons).
4) Click the Buy Now button.
5) Aperture will begin assembling the book. This may take several minutes depending on the size of your book.
6) When the assembly is complete, you will see a "Book Assembled" alert message.
7) Click "Reveal In Finder", then open (double-click) the PDF file to preview your order.
8) After previewing the book, go back to Aperture. If you decided to continue with the order, click Place Order. If you decided to not order the book at this time, click Cancel Order.
If you are satisfied with your book and it looks good when viewed as a PDF, click the “Buy” button at the bottom right corner of the Aperture window.
I hope you find this information helpful Mike. If there are any other issues you need assistance with concerning Aperture, please let us know.
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Message was edited by: mikweniMac, Mac OS X (10.6.5), Aperture 3, iLife 9, PSCS5
Currently Being ModeratedDec 3, 2010 9:06 AM (in response to mikwen)
Please note that monitors provide fairly accurate color when the images are saved in an sRGB color space, however, presses are not as reliable...
Well, Mike, thanks for sharing the info here.
At one point, in Mark's email to you, as mentioned above in his email from Apple, I have to say I am a little surprised about his statement re: monitors provide fairly accurate... when the images saved in an sRGB colour space...
It is very tricky statement where it depends on how we define the term "fairly accurate" in monitors. What we don't know if Mark meant by when monitor has been "properly" set up as profiled and calibrated with high-grade calibration hardware. Unless IF the monitor has been proper profiled and calibrated, then his statement would be correct. But IF not profiled or calibrated at all, I am afraid that his statement is incorrect.
Now these days with newer monitors and newer Apple laptops with better monitor technology, it is still need to be properly profiled and calibrated. It just depends on individual's preference, desire and the purpose of such project whatever someone is working on. While majority of Aperture users' are probably mostly professional photographers or those who are into photography savvy, then colour-managed workflow is a norm. For me, it IS absolute A MUST colour-managed workflow.
Although, I do a heavy post-production workflow on MacPro where I always have my monitors calibrated. I don't typically calibrate my laptop, though. Because sometimes I forgot to turn off the automatic ambient light in System Preference in Display section. It is a little inconvenience in that case. Unless if I am being away on photographic trips far from Canada abroad, then it is a different story. But not always bring my calibration device with me. Too inconvenience to haul it around at the airports etc. So colour-managed workflow is a must with MacPro in my studio.
However, other individuals have their own preference, comfort zone and the purpose of such project. Perhaps their workflow set up differently than yours or mine, that is ok.
But in that email you received from someone at Apple didn't make it clear about that statement about 'fairly accuracy'.
Then something else is something else actually--when Apple guy said presses are not always.... Again, that is why it is important that you get monitor properly profiled and calibrated. Once it is done properly, then it is all good. But remember, you need to re-calibrate monitor once a week or every two weeks or once month. In order to get pretty close to printed output, always a good idea to soft proof. If needed to make slightly conservative adjustments to your satisfaction or level of expectation, the output would be fairly close to what it is appeared in monitor. When I mean "fairly close" in comparing the output to what you are seeing in monitor with these post-production images used in that output, in fairness, I would estimate fairly close in terms of anywhere in range between 92 to 95 percent - that is very fair conservative perspective on how close in the output vs monitor. It is truly, really, truly rare to get the output 100% as obvious and precise as you are seeing in monitor. If that is the case, and if that is true FOR that person achieved this, this probably means takes that person many years to perfect his/her colour-managed workflow for that matter. Never has been that pretty close, but I'd be shocked if I see mine aced right on spot. I'd be lying to you if I get all output perfect as appeared in my monitors. If I did, that would be incorrect statement.
It seems a lot of factors and things to do and things need to require in a thoroughly colour-managed workflow production, it is how it is done. But this can also means save money, effort and time if done properly right from the beginning.
In fairness, I would really wish that guy from Apple should have said a little more obvious and precise with his definition of fairly accuracy with monitors. It doesn't says what kind of monitors he refers to. Low quality, cheap monitors deliver good results? Lot of factors need to be looked at for consideration for yourself.
Of course, as you can tell that colour management topic is pretty heavy, highly technical and everything in deep thinking with world of colours. It takes years for an individual (both pros and non-pro individuals) finally understand what it is all about. Again, technologies evolve rapid for the better in many cases for new monitors, commercial print equips, advanced ink technology, advanced paper production technology... That goes on effortless endless, actually.
Hope some of thoughtfu perspective and experience be of some interest, and it is obvious that this discussion probably will attract some more excitement discussion, the more the better. So that every other Aperture users who have the similar issues, they'll definitely want to come to here... And learn and share.
I also use Blurb too. They are getting better than it was once a couple years ago when Blurb first started. As they add more variety of book sizes, types of paper stock and things like that. This also give someone some flexibility in choosing workflow production using Blurb software or online bookmaking or using PDF to Book service for those who are advanced users that use InDesign layout design app. In that case of PDF to Book, the advanced users would need to download Blurb's preset plug-in to put in InDesign in order to export the PDF output to meet and integrate into Blurb's Preflight Checklist at the time of upload. I use PDF to Book service with InDesign, etc. It is fairly self explanatory and easy to follow steps. Also slightly off topic, but when making Blurb book, to get most out of their product and service with Blurb, in that case, they came up with brilliant resource called Colour Resource Centre designed for making more beautiful books. In that resource centre, it is easy to read and follow.
I would think this probably shed some insights and understanding the basics of colour management, the whole thing all about this, that and the other all together.
I would also want other high-powered hard-core Aperture users share their experience with Aperture Book printing service. I'd be happy to share my experience about making Aperture Book vs. Blurb Book through PDF to Book service. However, I would think the export to PDF from Aperture probably has it's own different setting or slightly different configuration inside the PDF engine on Mac for Blurb book. There has been some discussion about wanting a Aperture Plug In for Blurb Book. blurb has been quiet on it, I take that they probably will not develop a special plug-in for Aperture Users. Sorry if it is a little off topic. But somehow someone in the discussion mention Blurb. so...
Anyhow, hope that helps.Mac Pro | MBP Unibody 17" | Mac mini SL Server | iPhone | iPad | TV |, Mac OS X (10.6.5), Adobe Design Premium CS5 | Ap 3.1 | ColorMunki Photo
Currently Being ModeratedDec 4, 2010 10:01 AM (in response to Caramel Macchiato)i would agree, the guy was a little vague about a couple things, but that's kind of how apple is. I have not yet made a book from aperture or blurb, but will try out both eventually (I have from iPhoto, but that was awhile ago).iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.4), Aperture 3, iLife 9, PSCS5