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Finder - major flaw

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wmike1503 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Dec 8, 2010 6:20 AM
Just had a run in with Apple support (UK).

Apple suggest that it is acceptable for the Mac Finder to be only capable of searching a machines local drive. This is quite ridiculous - Apple vaunt the finder as the solution for finding anything on the network - it is, patently, unable to do this.

I have downloaded Easy Find for the Mac - this searches the attached network shares with ease, clearly demonstrating it is nothing to do with the Synology server as Apple seem to want me to believe.

Pretty disgraceful - so much for the wonderful world of Mac and so much for Apple support!

I can only stress that I am more than disappointed with my Apple experience so far. The most advanced operating system in the world? Hardly.

iMac new, Mac OS X (10.6.5), New iMac
  • nachdenki Level 3 Level 3 (625 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 6:31 AM (in response to wmike1503)
    question: what has a single feature of a single app that you want, but isn't there, to do with the OS being advanced or not? if you don't like OS X, nobody is forcing you, or am I mistaken?

    additionally, your post does not contain a question.
    Macbook and iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.4), 13'' Late 2008 and 27'' i7 Mid-2010
  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 6:58 AM (in response to wmike1503)
    You're not talking to Apple here, just other users like yourself. The place to send your rants is
    iMac Intel/2C2D, eMac G4/700, Mac OS X (10.6), 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 9.2
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (167,195 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 7:00 AM (in response to wmike1503)
    Complain to Apple:

    We're just your fellow users here, and while we might well agree about Spotlight's limitations, there's nothing any of us can do about it.
    iMac Core i7 8GB ATI Radeon 4850, Mac OS X (10.6.4), Also: iMac 2.8 Core 2 Duo 24", IPad 16GB WiFi, Dell w/ Windows 7, Win XP via VM
  • Martin Pace Level 5 Level 5 (5,075 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 7:15 AM (in response to wmike1503)
    I have a Drobo FS NAS on my home network and have no problems searching it using the Finder (other than it takes up to several minutes to complete the search). Once I enter a search term and hit Return near the top of the window I have "Search: 'This Mac' 'Shared' | 'Contents' 'File Name'", if I selected 'Shared' it automatically goes and searches the Share Points I have mounted on my Mac. So if this doesn't work for you it may be an issue with how your Synology server is set up.
  • Martin Pace Level 5 Level 5 (5,075 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 9:03 AM (in response to wmike1503)
    Try opening a Finder window and navigating to your music folder on your NAS. Type ".jp" in the search window. That should limit the search to just the music folder and sub-folders (you'll notice that your music folder is selected where "Search: 'This Mac' 'Shared' | 'Contents' 'File Name'" is located). Also select 'File Name'. There is also a small '+' sign at the right edge that allows some search refinements but I don't find it very useful. Be patient if you have lots of files, you may get a spinning beach ball in the Finder for a few minutes when working over the network.
  • jsd2 Level 5 Level 5 (6,200 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 9:27 AM (in response to wmike1503)
    Finder/Spotlight normally do their searches after first creating a Spotlight index on the volume to be searched, and then searching the index. This makes searches very fast compared to a program like EasyFind, which has to traverse the actual files on the volume to be searched. If you have a local external disk it presumably belongs to you, and you can decide for yourself if you want Finder/Spotlight to place a Spotlight index onto it. But a network drive might be part of a larger system that is used by many others, and creating an index is a network-intensive process.

    Take a look at this 2008 thread:
    [Spotlight - index network drives / folders?|]

    A poster there wrote to Apple about this issue, and got the following E-Mail response:
    "We intentionally turned this off for Leopard 'cause it was a problem that lots of people would enable indexing on public AFP volumes and swamp the servers.

    On Leopard we only allow local indexing of network locations via Network Homes and more recently (SL) PodCast Producer has some special SPI.

    Remote indexing via Server Side Search is also a Leopard feature.

    The AFP server needs to be running Leopard for indexing to occur. Leopard supports server-side indexing."

    There seems no reason why Finder couldn't still do a non-indexed (EasyFind type) search though.
    Mac Mini, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
  • jsd2 Level 5 Level 5 (6,200 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM (in response to wmike1503)
    What, on Earth, is the sense of creating an index in the Apple manner?

    Well, as mentioned, searching an index is a lot faster. And who knows, there might someday be a wider commercial use for searching just an index when you are looking for items in a larger universe. Maybe something like the following could even be successful:
    (sorry, couldn't resist! )

    Does it then automatically update the index as new files are add, moved or deleted?

    Yes, the Spotlight Index on a local drive does work this way.
    Mac Mini, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
  • jsd2 Level 5 Level 5 (6,200 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 1:55 PM (in response to jsd2)
    Just to be sure it is clear - it takes time for Spotlight to index a local drive initially, but once created, that index remains on the drive indefinitely and is used for future Finder and Spotlight searches, which is why they are fast. The index for each volume is kept in a top-level folder named ".Spotlight-V100" which is invisible to Finder, and so you don't normally notice it. The Spotlight index is updated dynamically when items on the volume are added or deleted.
    Mac Mini, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
  • Tom in London Level 4 Level 4 (1,570 points)
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    Dec 8, 2010 11:47 PM (in response to wmike1503)
    pointless rant about the many other shortcomings of OSX deleted.
    MacBookPro 13" (Nov. 2009) with a 20" *matte* Apple display (I hate shiny), Mac OS X (10.6.4), + graveyard of old Macs
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