Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2010 6:16 AM (in response to Kwopau)It IS NOT true for you nor for anyone else.
The iPhone's backup IS NOT a mirror image of the iPhone.
Please read the link I provided regarding the data that is included with the iPhone's backup.
The reason all iTunes content that was on your iPhone before restoring with iTunes is restored on your iPhone is because all iTunes content that was on your iPhone is in your iTunes library. No iTunes content whatsoever is included with the iPhone's backup - no music, movies, tv shows, podcasts, audiobooks, or 3rd party apps. Pictures transferred from your iPhone are not included with the iPhone's backup either.
Read the link provided. MacBook Pro 15" Intel Core 2 Duo/2.53GHz/4GB RAM/500GB HD, Mac OS X (10.6.5), iPod w/Video 30GB, iPhone 4 32GB
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2010 6:21 AM (in response to Allan Sampson)Whatever, Just last week, I ended up replacing my phone. With the new phone, I've done a Restore from back up. And everything that I had back up previously had gone back to my new phone from that back up. I.E Apps, contacts, photos, music, video. settings.HP Pavilion DV2812tx, HP DV4-1504tx, Windows 7, iPod Hi-Fi, iPhone 4 32 GB Black
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2010 6:32 AM (in response to Kwopau)It is not "whatever".
Which part of the info included with the link provided - the data included with the iPhone's backup and everything else that has been provided in this thread regarding what is included with the iPhone's backup by more than just me do you not understand?
Everything got transferred to your new iPhone because all your settings under the various tabs for your previous iPhone sync preferences is included with the iPhone's backup. Your music selections under the Music tab for your iPhone sync preferences, your app selections under the Apps tab for your iPhone sync preferences, and your photo selections under the Photos tab for your iPhone sync preferences are pre-selected when restoring your iPhone with iTunes from the iPhone's backup or when transferring the backup for an existing iPhone to a new iPhone. All music, movies, tv shows, podcasts, audiobooks, and photos on your computer selected to be transferred to your iPhone will be re-transferred to the iPhone, but not from the iPhone's backup. This data is transferred from your computer to your iPhone, not from the iPhone's backup.
The iPhone's backup IS NOT a mirror image of the iPhone. There are no ifs, ands, buts, or "whatever" about it. Do you know what a mirror image means? MacBook Pro 15" Intel Core 2 Duo/2.53GHz/4GB RAM/500GB HD, Mac OS X (10.6.5), iPod w/Video 30GB, iPhone 4 32GB
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2010 9:22 AM (in response to Kwopau)
Whatever, Just last week, I ended up replacing my phone. With the new phone, I've done a Restore from back up. And everything that I had back up previously had gone back to my new phone from that back up. I.E Apps, contacts, photos, music, video. settings.
I think you are getting confuse between sync and backup. Allan already explained it. The reason that you got your contacts, photos, musics, videos, and apps all back onto your phone after you restored is because all of these items were already on your computer. Your contacts are in your outlook, your photos, music, videos, and apps are in your directories on your computer. When you restored, it sync all of these items back onto your phone. The backup on the other hand will only backup what it stated on the link Allan provided.HP, Windows Vista
Currently Being ModeratedDec 15, 2010 9:07 PM (in response to Allan Sampson)Allan, now I KNOW what's included in the iPhone back up (based on the link you referred to). So this does NOT include APPS.
SO HOW DO APPS GET BACKED UP!? What exactly do I click on?
I plug my iPhone into my computer while iTunes is started....
THEN I DO THIS: _____FILL_IN_THIS_BLANK_PLEASE______
After I've backed up my APPS, then I assume I hit "BACKUP" to back up iPhone.
I think it's completely RIDICULOUS that the "BACKUP" does not backup your APPS.
Apple's "BACKUP" option halfbaked CRAP. This is so effing complicated but it doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be.iPhone OS 3.1.3
Currently Being ModeratedDec 16, 2010 12:30 AM (in response to Allan Sampson)Hi Allan,
I know this will be quite a change of tone from what you've been getting so far here in this thread, but I want to start of by saying thank you, for all the help and guidance you have been and are giving us. I greatly appreciate it.
I have a question on apps folder structure upon restoring from backup. I will share with you the chronology of events, what I understand, what I hope to achieve and what ways I think this can be achieved. By sharing with you my whole thought process, I hope to get your critique and correction if at any part I have misconstrued the logic. Thanks in advance again.
I have 2 iPhone and 2 iPads. When I bought my first iPad (brand new) I plugged it into iTunes and did a restore from my iPhone 4G backup. I believe I selected "Sync Apps" (though I can't confirm now cause I formatted my computer already) because all my iPhone apps were synced to my iPad - which is great. Q1 --> Because I restored from my iPhone 4G backup which presumably had "Sync Apps" checked, I believe my first iPad's iTunes syncing options also had "Sync Apps" checked as well - reason is that all the "Music", "Movies" and "Photos" options were also transferred over. Am I correct? Thanks
So for the rest of the post, I will assume the iTunes setting for my 1st iPad was set to "Sync Apps" (until you correct me otherwise).
My computer was running a bit crappy --> Windows, I know haha, so I formatted it. I did not save my backup file to an external harddrive and then put it back into the %appdata% iTunes Mobile Sync folder. Therefore after formatting, I plugged my iPad into the new computer and did a backup. Because (if I remember correctly, - (Q2) please correct me if I am wrong) it sensed my iPad as connect to a previous iTunes it asked me if I wanted to disconnect from the previous iTunes and sync to this one cause I do know that we can only sync to one iTunes at a time. I had to re-configure all my "Music, "Movies" and "Photo" settings again as this was a new iTunes configuration - which I do understand. Q3 - if I have a new iTunes because I formatted my computer, but I ported over the old backup file and restored my iPad from there, would it still be considered a new iTunes link and thus I have to configure everything again? I don't think so cause the backup contains all the settings; what I think will happen is that I will just be asked if I want to disconnect from the old iTunes and connect to the new one, and all my settings will be restored from the backup.
So I synced my "Music", "Movies", "Photos" and also "Info" and "Podcasts" (I don't use "TV Shows") and got it all set up. Only thing I didn't tick was the apps - perhaps cause I didn't take the time to understand it previously owing to the fact that I didn't need to then ha, but now I do!! So after everything was synced, I did a backup. After reading your thread, and the link you gave, I understood that I have to transfer purchases from my iPad because my iTunes had no apps - as it is a "new iTunes". So I transferred my purchases.
Next I joined my 2nd iPad (second hand iPad) and did a "Restore" (If you are experiencing problems with you iPad, you can restore its original settings by clicking Restore.) to wipe out apps etc that the previous owner had. Q4 - what is the difference betwixt the "Restore" in iTunes below "Check for Update" and the iPad's "Settings" --> "General" --> "Reset" --> "Erase All Content and Settings"? I believe (with some experiments ha) the "Restore" in the iTunes will give me a "brand new" iPad but I don't know what is the difference betwixt that and "Erase All Content and Settings".
I then restored from the backup of my 1st iPad. But remember just now I mentioned that I did not tick the "Sync Apps" in my 1st iPad's settings? So after the restore was done, I had all my "Music", "Movies" and "Photos" + "Podcasts", "Info", everything but my "Apps" --> because I didn't tick "Sync Apps" in my backup. So my 2nd iPad had everything but "Apps".
Now I need to rectify that and create a mirror of my 1st iPad. I don't jailbreak my iOS devices and all my Apps are bona fide purchases with my hard earned money . Here is the solution I thought of and the single problem I face.
Solution: On my 2nd iPad, click Sync Apps, select all the apps I want in my iPad, and then click Apply. Then I restore the backup of my 1st iPad. That restores all my app data and very importantly, my folder structure (cause when we have a lot of apps and we organise it all into folders, re-putting them back into folders can be quite time consuming; quite the antithesis of computing in the first place).
This truly give me a mirror image of my 1st iPad (please kindly correct me if I am wrong). The only problem is that, the Sync Apps is still not ticked. Q5 - Is there any benefits of my ticking "Sync Apps" vis a vis doing it this work around method? (Update: I thought of something - "Sync Apps" would allow all the apps on my iPad to be automatically synced to my iTunes but for my work around, I need to think of all the apps I want on my iPad and tick them. If it is for example 50 out of 50 apps, it's simple. But if it's 50 apps out of 150 apps in my iTunes then it would be a big headache. Any other benefits / costs?) My "File Sharing" is still working ok - in the sense I can still transfer data to my apps without having it synced (thankfully it is not sync dependent - but please once again correct me if I am wrong).
The reason why I do this work around method is because if I were to click "Sync Apps", it would get all my apps into my iPad but it would destroy all my folder structures. Q6 - however if I do this "Sync Apps", when the apps are transferred to my iPad I would have all the app data on my iPad already right? Because I postulate it work on a n-tier abstraction separating data from the app. I think this is true because previously I restored from backup and had some apps missing, but when I downloaded the app all the data was "magically" there.
Q7 - is there any way to maintain apps folder structures when I am syncing to a new iTunes instead of the work around I have thought of?
Q8 - and last question haha. My iPad has 10 3rd party apps now for example. If I backup now, it would backup the app data of all 10 apps (3rd party apps - notation left out for simplicity sake moving forward). However if I deleted 2 apps from these 10 apps, then if I backup the 8 apps, would it mean that the backup no longer stores the 2 deleted apps's app data? I think that would be the case but I would just like to confirm.
Thank you for reading my very long post and I really appreciate all your help, Allan and all others. Looking forward to your advice, guidance and response!! Thank you once again!!!
P.S. does iTunes lag quite a bit in Windows (if you are a Windows user)? For me it's not the quickest programme around; can get quite laggy sometimes, on my newly formatted and empty 64 bit 4GB Dual Core 2.4 GHz HP TX2 and Acer computer as well
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Currently Being ModeratedDec 16, 2010 6:05 AM (in response to thespaciousmind)
SO HOW DO APPS GET BACKED UP!? What exactly do I click on?
Your chosen alias certainly does apply to you.
Your question (screaming this time) has been answered - more than once. Read my previous posts in this thread - again (s l o w l y this time) which specifically answers this question.
The iPhone's backup is updated as the first step during the iTunes sync process. If you don't sync your iPhone with iTunes, you need to manually select "transfer purchases from - the name of your iPhone" after downloading an app or apps with your iPhone to transfer the apps to your iTunes library - this is done automatically after doing so when syncing an iPhone with iTunes with Sync Apps selected under the Apps tab for the iPhone sync preferences with iTunes - WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS THREAD. Your reading comprehension skills need plenty of work, or that spacious mind of yours has limited brain cells.
I think it's completely RIDICULOUS that the "BACKUP" does not backup your APPS.
Apple's "BACKUP" option halfbaked CRAP. This is so effing complicated but it doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be.
Once again - there is no reason for the iPhone's backup to include apps since all 3rd party apps on your iPhone should be in your iTunes library on your computer and will be with Sync Apps selected under the Apps tab for your iPhone sync preferences with iTunes. Since all 3rd party apps on your iPhone should be in your iTunes library on your computer ALONG WITH ALL OTHER ITUNES CONTENT ON YOUR IPHONE, it would be a duplicate effort along with taking DOUBLE THE STORAGE SPACE on your computer's hard drive to have the apps in your iTunes library AND included with your iPhone's backup. That would be ridiculous, which the habitual whiners and ranters of this world would have a kanipchen fit about - apps duplicated on their computer's hard drive taking up double the storage space. Including 3rd party apps with the iPhone's backup is not necessary.
Sell your iPhone to someone else quick, fast, and in a hurry and purchase a device that performs a backup just how you like it and is not so complicated for you. If the iPhone backup process is so very complicated for you - which is done automatically by iTunes as the first step during the iTunes sync process when SYNCING - which the iPhone is designed to do - SYNC WITH ITUNES - SINCE THE IPHONE INCLUDES AN IPOD - AND THIS INCLUDES 3RD PARTY APPS WITH SYNC APPS SELECTED UNDER THE APPS TAB FOR YOUR IPHONE SYNC PREFERENCES WITH ITUNES, you need to get another device. Does Fisher-Price make a cell phone? MacBook Pro 15" Intel Core 2 Duo/2.53GHz/4GB RAM/500GB HD, Mac OS X (10.6.5), iPod w/Video 30GB, iPhone 4 32GB
Currently Being ModeratedDec 16, 2010 6:23 AM (in response to Allan Sampson)
Does Fisher-Price make a cell phone?
Yes! It even talks!!!
Cheaper than an iPhone too!iMac 20", MacBook, Time Capsule, Airport Express, AppleTV 2, Mac OS X (10.6.5), iPhone 3GS 32GB, iPad WiFi 32GB
Currently Being ModeratedDec 16, 2010 11:01 PM (in response to Allan Sampson)Thanks *****.
When I do a "backup" I alway get a message that says "syncing"...
So based on your essay, the short answer to my question is: it backs up apps automatically, during the "sync" process, before the "backup" process starts.iPhone OS 3.1.3
Currently Being ModeratedDec 17, 2010 4:33 AM (in response to thespaciousmind)WRONG.
Reading comprehension needs plenty of work.
Get the fisher-price phone.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 17, 2010 5:12 AM (in response to thespaciousmind)When you sync an iPhone, first of all iTunes makes a backup automaticaly (you don't need to do it manually); when it finishes the backup, it will sync the iPhone content (Apps, music, etc). You have to difference between Apps binaries (they are transfered to iTunes or the iPhone DURING the sync, not the backup), and the Apps settings, that are backed up during the backup phase of the sync.
iPhone backups includes iPhone conguration, Apps settings (and saved games if you have), SMS, pictures, notes, Address book, etc. It doesn't backup any Apps, just backups its settings.
When you restore an iPhone backup, it will restore iPhone conguration, Apps settings (and saved games if you have), SMS, pictures, notes, etc. After restoring the backup, the iPhone will start automatically a sync to install again all Apps, music, etc.
If an App is not RIGHT developed and it doesn't store its settings in the standard way, the settings of that App won't be restored.17" Macbook Pro OS X 10.6.5, Mac OS X (10.6.5), iPhone 4 iOS 4.2.1
Currently Being ModeratedDec 26, 2010 4:19 PM (in response to Allan Sampson)Hi Allen,
You are obviously a VERY intelligent man! You know your Apple gear very well. Unfortunately, many of us coming to this forum are quite UNfamiliar with Apple's methods and find them confusing when we "plunge in". You will go a lot further with your attempted help if you would (as an old grad school professor once instructed me), "just answer the question!"
Specifically, Apple's restoration methods are quite convoluted as compared with (for example) those used by Windows programs. Typically, "Restore" in Windows software most often means, "restore EVERYTHING" except for exceptions noted. Whereas, in my iPad, "Restore" means, "Restore the OS and all of the apps and music and such that I have given a check mark to". I can assure you that this small fact is NOT obvious to a new user. And suggesting that a user is some sort of a dummy for not knowing it right out of the box is counterproductive.
I found that double clicking on the "joes ipad" label on the left side of the iTunes screen and then selecting EACH tab along the top in turn and then clicking RESTORE gets things restored. It did take me a few hours to ferret out this detail, and unfortunately, it was not anywhere I could find it in the manual OR on this discussion group. But then, I scanned for "restore apps" and found thousands of posts with this subject.
So.. Allen, please take this suggestion as a gentlemanly one as it is intended.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 26, 2010 5:28 PM (in response to w2jo)
You will go a lot further with your attempted help if you would (as an old grad school professor once instructed me), "just answer the question!"
I did just answer the question - several times. Thanks for the advice but although I am far from perfect, I didn't become the top rated user here by accident, and to be honest I have little or no respect for anyone here with one post or just a handful of posts critiquing anyone who volunteers a great deal of their time helping others.
Whereas, in my iPad, "Restore" means, "Restore the OS and all of the apps and music and such that I have given a check mark to".
It means more than that. When restoring an iPhone or iPad with iTunes, there are two options - restore from the backup for the device which is the default selection, or as a new device or not from the backup for the device which must be manually selected. The backup includes a significant amount of data such as settings, email account settings, contacts, calendar events, notes, etc. It does not include any iTunes content on the device or any photos transferred from your computer to the device since there is no reason for it. All iTunes content on the device should be in your iTunes library on your computer, and all photos transferred from your computer to the device should remain on your computer. If the backup for the device were a mirror image of the device including all iTunes content, this would be taking up double the hard drive space on your computer for data that should already be available on your computer and be included with your computer's backup.
The backup includes your selections under the various tabs for your iTunes sync preferences for the device so when restoring the device from the backup, what was selected under the various tabs for the iTunes sync preferences for the device before restoring the device will be pre-selected which must be followed by a sync with iTunes.
I can assure you that this small fact is NOT obvious to a new user. And suggesting that a user is some sort of a dummy for not knowing it right out of the box is counterproductive.
Sorry, but when I have to repeat myself over and over and over again and there are a number of fellow users chiming in with the same info and a person still does not get it, all the lights are on but no one is at home.
I found that double clicking on the "joes ipad" label on the left side of the iTunes screen and then selecting EACH tab along the top in turn and then clicking RESTORE gets things restored.
You don't have to double-click on the device in the iTunes source list. Just a single-click on the device to make the various tabs for the sync preferences for the device available, and you have to do no such thing to get get things restored. All your selections under the various tabs for the device's sync preferences with iTunes should already be selected before selecting Restore. Your selections under the various tabs are included with the device's backup, and the backup for the device is updated as the first step during the iTunes sync process. And when selecting Restore for the device, the first prompt is updating the backup for the device which includes your selections under the various tabs for the device's sync preferences with iTunes.
Apple includes support documents that also come up with a Google search.
The first hit with a Google search for "restore iPad with iTunes".
This Apple support document link also includes a link for iPad: About Backups.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 17, 2011 10:27 PM (in response to Allan Sampson)
Hi Allan my iphone broke so my friend gave me his old one so I switched sim cards and restored my friends iphone to my back up but now my back up setting shows on my itunes and when i sync it was sync but then go back to his settings when he had the iphone...it wont restore to my back up. any ideas?
Currently Being ModeratedSep 23, 2011 11:25 AM (in response to Allan Sampson)
I promise not to be rude.
I just need a yes or no because I feel like what I'm reading online at Apple, etc, isn't clear enough.
Does an iPhone backup include the photos taken with the iPhone?
My MacBook deleted my entire previous photo download from my iPhone, and I cleared my phone for space -- so I'm trying to find out if I can restore the pictures I took based on my last iPhone backup.
If you could answer, I'd be greatly appreciative.