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Logic 9 Amp Sim Vs. Guitar Rig

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jamo82 Calculating status...
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Hello

I am thinking of upgrading to Logic 9 for many reasons, but also have the opportunity to buy Guitar Rig Essentials. I noticed that Logic 9 has pretty extensive new guitar amp simulators and pedalboard. Does anyone have an opinion on how they fare against a product like Guitar Rig by Native Instruments?

If they're decent, I shan't bother getting Guitar Rig

Thanks
Jamie
Macbook Pro 13", Mac OS X (10.5.8), 2.26 GHz 4GB Ram
  • Miles Fender Level 3 Level 3 (770 points)
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    Jan 3, 2011 6:18 AM (in response to jamo82)
    I have Guitar Rig - I'd say it's marginally better than the Logic selection, but not much. Guitar Rig is better for doing weird and wonderful effects, but if you're just after a decent* basic tone I don't think there's much to choose between them. I also have Amplitube, which (IMHO) sounds marginally better than either of them. If it's not a limited time offer, just try and see how you get on with Logic first. Don't pay any attention to the presets though - play with it.

    *Still nothing even comes close to mic'ing up a real cab, so if you're a guitarist by trade then you're still going to be disappointed (unless the convenience of a sim is just overwhelming important).
    Mac Pro (early 2008), Mac OS X (10.6.5)
  • James Holloway Level 2 Level 2 (250 points)
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    Jan 3, 2011 8:21 AM (in response to jamo82)
    Ask two guitarists, and you'll likely get three opinions -- just FWIW, I like GR better than Logic's simulators/pedalboard (tho I LOVE Logic's Pawnshop Classic). GR's more tweakable, with more effects/weirdness available, and just to my ears sounds better than Logic and Amplitude (though your mileage may vary). All that said however, I do most recording through a Vox AC4TV8 and (sometimes) a Vox Tonelab, with a Shure mike. It's small enough to where you can go sorta ballsout and get that air-through-speaker gestalt without the nabes calling the law. I generally use the amp sims on the wet track just for a bit of body. Of course, your mileage may vary, depending on what you're doing.
    Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, Logic 9, Apogee Duet, UAD Duo, Mac OS X (10.6.5), Telecaster x2, Strat, Hodson 503S, Gibson SG/Les Paul, P-bass, 3 cats
  • John Alcock Level 5 Level 5 (5,025 points)
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    Jan 3, 2011 8:32 AM (in response to jamo82)
    I agree with Miles and James re: Guitar Rig. But to throw in one more suggestion - try out Peavey's Revalver which is my favorite amp sim. I think they still have a demo you can try out.

    But I also agree that recording your own is by far the best, and maybe just use an amp sim to add a bit of texture to an already decent sound rather than try to create a monster guitar tone from a squeaky little D.I. feed.
    MacPro 3.0 Octo 16GB/2.5 Dual PMac 8GB 10.5+, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Raptor HDs Apogee AD/DA 16X Lynx PCIe
  • jaap Level 2 Level 2 (470 points)
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    Jan 3, 2011 8:39 AM (in response to jamo82)
    Same experience here. I like Pedalboard and Amp Designer, but for overdriven sounds I prefer to use my old Squire Strat + Roland VG8 going into an amp, and micing the amp with an old Sennheiser dynamic mic. When I go directly into Logic, and use virtual amps, I find it harder to get the same "bite" without sounding scratchy.
    The intro of this mp3:
    http://muziek.sizzit.nl/Speler/paddestoelrockversie.mp3
    has been done by micing the amp.
    Regards, Jaap
    (disclaimer: this is a fun demo on how a children's song could sound in a rock setting... and I'm primarily a bassist, not a guitarist)
    Intel iMac, Mac OS X (10.6), Logic Express
  • James Holloway Level 2 Level 2 (250 points)
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    Jan 3, 2011 8:40 AM (in response to John Alcock)
    +1 on Revalver, which slipped my mind -- I like its fender emulations best of the sims. IMHO, Guitar Rig's strengths are in the Mesa/Boogie and Vox emulations, and for the breadth/depth of FX. But seriously, first try recording through the old tried and true amp/Shure.
    Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, Logic 9, Apogee Duet, UAD Duo, Mac OS X (10.6.1), Telecaster x2, Strat, Hodson 503S, Gibson SG/Les Paul, P-bass, 3 cats
  • Pat *italiano* Valella Level 4 Level 4 (1,835 points)
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    Jan 3, 2011 10:18 AM (in response to jamo82)
    I own most of Amp Sims (Guitar Rig 3, Amplitube 3, TH1, Waves GTR 3.5, etc.) but I love Logics Amps and Pedalboard - with proper tweaking I can achieve fantastic sounds. Add a plug-in or 2 and you can get pretty much any Guitar Genre you want from clean to the BrOOtalz... I say it's top notch. I have 4 amps sitting here (2 Tube and 2 SS) but haven't turned one on in months cause I'm in love with Amp Modeling. I'm 59 and just wish we would have had all this when I started out. I rock out almost daily and don't disturb anyone (Headphones).
    Imac G5 20 1.8 ghz. - 1st Gen - 57 Daphne Strat -, Mac OS X (10.5.6), 6 Amps - Korg AX5G - Boss GS-10 - LP Custom!
  • Sam_BFC Calculating status...
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    Jan 3, 2011 12:08 PM (in response to Pat *italiano* Valella)
    I personally have not been terribly impressed with the Logic Amps and have found others such as Guitar Rig more usable.

    However, they sound great on the Logic website's demos .

    strangedogs - can you provide any tips on where one might get the best out of the Logic Amp sims? You mention adding a 'plug-in or two'...

    I think that the presets for Logic amps are really generally a no-no.
    MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Apogee Duet
  • pemich Calculating status...
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    Jan 29, 2011 1:09 AM (in response to Sam_BFC)
    I think Logic´s guitar sim is excellent and like a few others have said here GR has more wierd settings and some very good "clones" of some old vintage pedals like the Boss CE-1 chorus etc. I think we all prefer a mic;ed tube amps of cuorse. In general I feel that distorted and clean sounds sounds very good, but the crunchy sounds are more difficult.

    There is however one very interesting thing I´m currently trying and that´s "implulses". Impulses gives you the best of two worlds. And simulates a mic;ed up cab with loads of mic-settings, mics, etc etc. Have a look here: http://www.redwirez.com and here you can use a real tubeamp´s line signal creates by an attenuator OR use any softamp were you can mute the speaker sim like Amplitube 3.
    iMac 27" core5, Mac OS X (10.6.6)
  • Greystoke27 Calculating status...
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    Apr 12, 2013 12:37 PM (in response to jamo82)

    If Cubase's amp-sim is good enough for Meshuggah to use on their albums, I'm sure we can all get a good enough sound out of Logic's amp-sim, Amp Designer.

     

    It's interesting. Meshuggah uses the Fractal Axe FX, to gen their tones, on stage. However, in the studio the use the Axe FX only for clean input into Cubase. They gen all their tones directly in Cubase's amp-sim, and they find it Very good.

     

    I can't wait to try Logic's amp-sim and Mainstage in all kinds of scenarios.

     

    - Judd

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