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Completely disable or remove the Mac App Store

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  • andyBall_uk Level 6 Level 6 (17,595 points)
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    Jan 16, 2011 7:00 AM (in response to Charles Dyer)
    Ooo Dyer's getting testy sir

    If you really know anything much at all, your 'but it's only a plist, it doesn't do anything' bleating, & subsequent specious defence of same, gave the opposite impression.

    it was an adequate, & suitably simply worded example at wiki, insofar as it hinted that a plist isn't exclusively the settings for a process or application, but can be used to tell the system whether or not to start it at all, and under what conditions etc etc

    Meaning, that without checking the contents of said plist, leaving it in place might well result in something running that Wzzz or the OP would rather did not do so.

    * storeagent LaunchAgent: /System/Library/LaunchAgents/com.apple.storeagent.plist,

    taking one part of the nonsense you keep standing by -
    ... in this case for storeagent. If you trash it, it will come back, the very next time that storeagent runs.


    It's clear that you cannot, & likely will not see how wrong that is.
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,095 points)
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    Jan 16, 2011 12:17 PM (in response to R C-R)
    +Actually you do, although it may not be enabled. You also have software that will send info about specific apps, plugins, or capabilities to remote servers.+

    Rather than continuing to lecture generalities, can you kindly provide specifics? To help you compile that list, here is some information:

    ALL options to "automatically check for updates" are always and immediately disabled in all applications, Apple or third party. That includes Software Update. I check manually only.

    ALL options to check for updates are also disabled in the few plug ins I have: Flip4Mac, (Wacom) Pen Tablet, Perian, Shades.

    Sharing: only Printer and Scanner sharing will be enabled IF and when I occasionally need to access it from the laptop. No other Sharing is enabled ever.

    Only browser used: Firefox (only add-ons there: AdblockPlus and WOT) - again, I manually check for updates.

    If you need any further information, let me know.

    And, to repeat: I always read any contract, be that an SLA, EULA, or any other binding contract. Fortunately, I was trained to comprehend and interpret contract language. I have all (pertinent to me) Apple SLA's and EULA's downloaded and have referred to them on more than one occasion, as I have to various state and federal laws.

    I am quite aware that I only purchased a license to use the OS and the clauses that allow Apple to collect information; however, there is no clause stating that, as long as Apple provides an option to disable such a function and it is not against the law, I cannot make use of it.

    And, since it appears that you still do not understand what I am trying to accomplish:

    _The only thing I am trying to accomplish is to have Apple provide an option to disable Storeagent and I have begun that process by sending a certified letter detailing my requests._

    I do not wish to and will not modify the OS.
    I have made use of all the available and legal options I know of to turn off "automatic anything".
    I will not launch MAS because, as of now, Apple has not provided a way to "opt out" of Storeagent. If such an option is available in the future, I may (or may not) visit the store. I'm sure my computer will not implode if I don't.
    I do not wish to switch to another OS.

    Now, if you can post specific information on any processes, software, or plugins that I have missed which will relay information to an online service/company, I will appreciate it.
    27" 3.2 GHz iMac i3, 12 GB RAM, 13" white early '09 MB,, Mac OS X (10.6.6), LaCie d2 DVDRW, 2 LaCie d2 Quadra ext HD , Wacom tablet, Epson Artisan 810
  • DeimosL Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2011 1:12 PM (in response to babowa)
    Barbara Daniels1 wrote:
    +Actually you do, although it may not be enabled. You also have software that will send info about specific apps, plugins, or capabilities to remote servers.+

    Rather than continuing to lecture generalities, can you kindly provide specifics? To help you compile that list, here is some information: .......


    I wont quote it all because my answer might be wrong/not relevant/covered by your existing lock-downs but on my computer I caught a dashboard advisory daemon (dashboardadvisoryd) "phoning home". I don't use dashboard at all (disabled through the appropriate .plist file) and have no widgets installed - so I disabled the advisory daemon using:

    cd /System/Library/LaunchDaemons
    sudo launchctl unload -w com.apple.dashboard.advisory.fetch.plist

    and no more problems (it respects my privacy after that !!). I'm sure I have killed of some others but did not make notes so cannot be 100%.

    It was quite an effort stopping the Crash Dump and diagnostics being returned but I did initially give permission. The grief comes when you want to retract that permission as the published means (through Console) does not work properly on my system - appropriate control greyed-out in Console preferences and .plist files have a couple of entries (and changing one then changes the other from boolean to number ...) - but I got there and I did initially give permission for the dump but had not appreciated that this then included lots of other diagnostic information - so my fault.
    I use Little Snitch (and I've tightened up it's default rules quite a bit) so anything left running will have to ask before it "phones home".

    People argue that Apple have the right to scan you hard disk and report back selected info they have collected. I'm not going to argue that one because there are a lot of issues some of which may relate to laws in the country you are in. However, one thing Apple do not have any right over is requiring me to provide an internet connection and bandwidth for them. I have seen nothing in their EULA requiring me to provide adequate communications links and bandwidth for Apple to return information they have collected to themselves. Thus, even if they collect it can cannot see I am breaking any license terms if I decide not to provide them connection and bandwidth and block their communications attempts. Whilst I might have killed off these Apple provided scanners, what I have actually done is to kill/disable processes I think I have no use for. As I understand it there is nothing in the EULA to stop me killing/disabling processes I think I don't want/need. If Apple require their scan and collect processes to run unhindered then they should provide a list of processes that "phone home" and that you are required to run when using OS X (and address the issue of internet connection and bandwidth).
  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (13,835 points)
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    Jan 16, 2011 10:16 PM (in response to babowa)
    First, please note that I was responding directly to your comment, "I do not have any other software which will scan my hard drive and 'phone home' …"; thus, my comment that you do have such software. I do understand that you have identified & opted out of using at least most of that. I just wanted to make sure you knew that this is an inherent feature of several different parts of the OS. (If you use Software Update at all, even just to manually get a list of available updates, it of necessity sends this sort of info.)

    Also, you may or may not be aware that certain kinds of network apps like browsers or remote media players send info about themselves to remote servers, including the application name, available plugins, your location, etc. to facilitate connections, optimize delivered content, & so on. If they did not, problems like application hangs or unnecessary timeouts, delivering unusable content, cryptic error messages, & such could occur.

    I am not being more specific about this because there are so many applications that do this & so many different ways it can be done that I could not cover it all here. Not all of it requires a separately initiated 'phone home' process, nor does all application software give you the option of not doing that if it is required. If you want to learn more about this, I suggest you do your own research.

    Regarding what specifically you want to accomplish, it is an addition to the OS X feature set, so I'm not sure why you are sending certified letters to Apple corporate instead of using http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html, which is intended for that purpose.
    2008 iMacs: 24"/3.06 GHz + 20"/2.66 GHz; White MacBook/2.4 GHz, Mac OS X (10.6.6), Kensington Trackball; Airport Extreme 802.11n; assorted iPods and older Macs
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,095 points)
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    Jan 16, 2011 11:35 PM (in response to R C-R)
    +Also, you may or may not be aware that certain kinds of network apps like browsers or remote media players send info about themselves to remote servers, including the application name, available plugins, your location, etc. to facilitate connections, optimize delivered content, & so on. If they did not, problems like application hangs or unnecessary timeouts, delivering unusable content, cryptic error messages, & such could occur.+

    This may surprise you, but I've been aware of that for some time and know there is no way for anyone to be completely anonymous - if I want to go anywhere online, IP addresses and other info are broadcast because they need to be. Those are not "user controllable" and a necessity and I have no problem with those - if I did, I would not be online typing this reponse. I do have a problem with processes that are not a necessity, but rather used mainly as so called "convenience" or "marketing" tools. I absolutely abhor the never ending advertising and marketing hype here and will do whatever I can to avoid as much as possible of it. "Phoning home" so I can be offered products is not acceptable - I look at it as an electronic form of a telemarketing call which is also not acceptable.

    +Regarding what specifically you want to accomplish, it is an addition to the OS X feature set, so I'm not sure why you are sending certified letters to Apple corporate instead of using http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html, which is intended for that purpose.+

    Because that is how I handle important issues and that approach has served me quite well, thank you. If I have a simple feature request, I certainly would (and have) use the feedback link or contact Customer Service; but, let's face it, you usually only reach a lower level employee with that method. If I have what I believe to be an important issue or concern, I will contact the person(s) my research reveals to be the most appropriate for and in charge of the issue(s) in question - in this case, the Senior VP of Software Engineering and Senior VP & General Counsel.

    I believe it best if we end this conversation at this point - it does not appear to be productive.
    27" 3.2 GHz iMac i3, 12 GB RAM, 13" white early '09 MB,, Mac OS X (10.6.6), LaCie d2 DVDRW, 2 LaCie d2 Quadra ext HD , Wacom tablet, Epson Artisan 810
  • deggie Level 8 Level 8 (44,870 points)
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    Jan 17, 2011 12:33 AM (in response to babowa)
    You have chosen wisely, Barbara. But he almost always gets the last word/post in.

    I see your point with Storeagent/Mac App Store and I know others who want the same thing you do and have sent their feedback in.

    I would add this, if I were Apple I would make it possible to completely remove Mac App Store from the computer, and all its remnants, and not allow disabling StoreAgent. Why? Because if you give the option to disable it you and I both know it will not be very long before someone, who has disabled StoreAgent, goes to the App Store and buys an application then discovers they already own it. Then they will be writing here demanding to know how to get their money back from the Mac App Store, and people will explain all sales are final, etc. etc.

    Instead require the removal, or not installing Mac App Store at all, and if you find yourself wanting to buy some software at 2:31am (oh look, that is the current time for me), you first will have to install the Mac App Store and have StoreAgent do a scan.

    Do I think Apple will do this? Absolutely not. In order for them to attract vendors to the Mac App Store they need the widest consumer base possible. And if the default, or even option is present, to opt out this will dissuade vendors from using the Store.
    MacPro Dual Core 2.66 Ghz, MacBook Pro 15", iPhone 4, Mac OS X (10.6.5), AEXs, Red 2G & 5G Nano, Red Shuffle, 160 GB Classic, Apple TV
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,095 points)
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    Jan 17, 2011 9:34 AM (in response to deggie)
    +You have chosen wisely, Barbara. But he almost always gets the last word/post in.+

    Thank you; and, by all means, he may, so I've already given him the opportunity to have it

    +Do I think Apple will do this? Absolutely not. In order for them to attract vendors to the Mac App Store they need the widest consumer base possible. And if the default, or even option is present, to opt out this will dissuade vendors from using the Store.+

    I tend to agree, but thought it was worth the effort to inform the decision makers that not everyone agrees with their new marketing techniques (and the resulting invasion of privacy rights). So, all I reasonably expect in this case is a polite reply explaining the benefits (which means I will simply never launch the MAS); however, more often than not my letters have had the desired effect.
    27" 3.2 GHz iMac i3, 12 GB RAM, 13" white early '09 MB,, Mac OS X (10.6.6), LaCie d2 DVDRW, 2 LaCie d2 Quadra ext HD , Wacom tablet, Epson Artisan 810
  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (13,835 points)
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    Jan 17, 2011 12:27 PM (in response to babowa)
    Barbara Daniels1 wrote:
    I absolutely abhor the never ending advertising and marketing hype here and will do whatever I can to avoid as much as possible of it. "Phoning home" so I can be offered products is not acceptable - I look at it as an electronic form of a telemarketing call which is also not acceptable.


    AFAIK, whether or not the store-related agent(s) phone home, you will not be offered any products unless you a) Launch the Mac Apple Store application to browse the available apps or b) try to open a document you don't have an app for, & in that case only if you choose to open the Store App from the contextual menu.

    IOW, you have to choose to use the application. It won't offer you anything or 'call' you otherwise.
    2008 iMacs: 24"/3.06 GHz + 20"/2.66 GHz; White MacBook/2.4 GHz, Mac OS X (10.6.6), Kensington Trackball; Airport Extreme 802.11n; assorted iPods and older Macs
  • deggie Level 8 Level 8 (44,870 points)
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    Jan 17, 2011 12:29 PM (in response to babowa)
    Told ya so.
    MacPro Dual Core 2.66 Ghz, MacBook Pro 15", iPhone 4, Mac OS X (10.6.5), AEXs, Red 2G & 5G Nano, Red Shuffle, 160 GB Classic, Apple TV
  • DeimosL Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 17, 2011 12:42 PM (in response to deggie)
    deggie wrote:
    Told ya so.


    You were right - £5 in the post.
  • deggie Level 8 Level 8 (44,870 points)
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    Jan 17, 2011 1:41 PM (in response to DeimosL)
    I need it, I'll be waiting by the mailbox.
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  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,095 points)
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    Jan 17, 2011 5:34 PM (in response to deggie)
    Took me a while to recover...
    27" 3.2 GHz iMac i3, 12 GB RAM, 13" white early '09 MB,, Mac OS X (10.6.6), LaCie d2 DVDRW, 2 LaCie d2 Quadra ext HD , Wacom tablet, Epson Artisan 810
  • DeimosL Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 20, 2011 12:37 PM (in response to babowa)
    Chased up my support incident today (just in case it had "disappeared") and it is still with the engineers. Apparently it might have had to be passed back to the US (I am in the UK) but they have sent e-mails chasing things up.
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (22,095 points)
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    Jan 20, 2011 12:52 PM (in response to DeimosL)
    Thanks for the update! I don't expect a reply to my letter for a bit...
    27" 3.2 GHz iMac i3, 12 GB RAM, 13" white early '09 MB,, Mac OS X (10.6.6), LaCie d2 DVDRW, 2 LaCie d2 Quadra ext HD , Wacom tablet, Epson Artisan 810
  • laundry bleach Level 5 Level 5 (6,875 points)
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    Jan 20, 2011 3:00 PM (in response to John S.A.)
    Looks like this article might be relevant to your issue:

    [Mac App Store help: Use parental controls|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=MacAppStore/1.0/en/fir820 7178b.html].

    Best of luck.
    PM G5, MBP 17", iMac 20", iPod Nano, iPhone 4, Mac OS X (10.6.6), Time Capsule (2TB) WDS with AirPort Express

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