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Keyboard shortcut for Menu items with duplicate names?

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Robert Nikander Calculating status...
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Sep 8, 2010 3:53 AM

I see this has been asked in the past with no answer; I'll try again. I want to create a keyboard shortcut in Pages for the "Use Default" menu item, under the Baseline submenu. Problem is that the keyboard shortcut panel in System Preferences has you type the name of the menu item, and there is at least one other "Use Default" in Pages, in the Ligature submenu. What can I do? What I hoped I'd find was a syntax for specifying the full path, like "Format > Font > Baseline > Use Default".

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • A.Carlo Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
    I don't think there's a resolution for this at the moment. Apple might be relying on UI designers to never duplicate a menu item for clarity in usability. Of course, that doesn't happen all the time (any browser with page/text "zoom" will encounter conflicts with window "zoom" if you ever try to assign a keyboard shortcut to either menu item; hello, Firefox!).
  • Piers Walter Calculating status...
    If Apple is relying on UI designers to never duplicate a menu item, this fact does not even seem to have been communicated to their own UI designers.

    I'm trying to set keyboard shortcuts for Mail's Format / Quote Level / Increase (and Decrease) menu items. Unfortunately, the menu items Format / Indentation / Increase (and Decrease) come first, so the keyboard shortcuts show up there.

    Is there really no way to somehow specify the specific submenu that you want to set the keyboard shortcut in?
    Mac OS X (10.6)
  • REVBCO Calculating status...
    You dont need to specify a submenu when making a shortcut.

    Just type the name of the submenu exactly as it appears.

    System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts > hit the + sign > Application: (Pick your application) > Menu Title: (enter the exact name of the menu item you are creation a shortcut for) > Keyboard Shortcut: (Type your keyboard shortcut) > click Add

    Worked for me in iTunes to create a shortcut for ratings. (had to use the star symbol)
    iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
  • Pat Gilmour Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)
    Right but in Mail you have a duplicate submenu names that have a different function

    Message > Move to > MyFolder

    Message > Copy to > MyFolder

    So if you create a shortcut as "MyFolder" for Mail, then it executes the second in the list, not the first.

    I think however most people - like me- would like to be able to assign a short cut to the former, but to do this you'd need to be able to tell the command to apply to "Move to > MyFolder" and that does not seem to work.

    Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (59,180 points)
    Not doable. If you want to report this issue to Apple's engineering, send a bug report or an enhancement request via its Bug Reporter system. To do this, join the Mac Developer Program—it's free and available for all Mac users and gets you a look at some development software. Since you already have an Apple username/ID, use that. Once a member, go to Apple BugReporter and file your bug report or enhancement request. The nice thing with this procedure is that you get a response and a follow-up number; thus, starting a dialog with engineering.
    27" iMac i7 12 GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.6.6), G4 450 MP GB 1.5 GB RAM w/(10.5.8/10.4.11/9.2.2)
  • Pat Gilmour Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)
    Thanks baltwo.

    For anyone interested in a Mail-specific option, check out:

    It's a bit pricy but it's useful.
    Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • abqgram Calculating status...
    Duplicate items showed up in Apple menu, along with a black outline on "chosen" sections instead of the usual yellow highlight.
    Having read some others with similar problems it made me try to think back when it started (for me) and I believe it came from typing in the security code provided/required either by craig's list or ebay correspondence. One time I could not read the code and chose to have it read to me - which was also not understandable. Is this clue of any help to anyone? I see the black outline box is on craigslist, I think.
    mac mini intel, Mac OS X (10.4.11), Mac Mini intel core duo 10.4.11
  • LaraCroft_NYC Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    IN LION: You've already ALMOST got it: Format > Font > Baseline > Use Default


    But leave out the spaces: Format>Font>Baseline>Use Default


    Otherwise, it won't work. That's the secret (I guess).

    Screen Shot 2011-09-07 at 12.17.32 PM.png

  • lemon-kun Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Thank you sooo much for this!


    It's also important that one writes the whole path; in my case it was Format>Font>Ligature>Use None


    Thank you again, that saved my day!

  • joohaeng Calculating status...

    It is a very helpful tip.


    I could assign Control-Command-B for default baseline.


    However, if you hit the shortcut once again, you can go back to the default baseline.


    For example, in the superscript mode, hit Control-Command-+ to get back to the default baseline.

  • PaoloAvezzano Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I can't manage to make it work.


    I have to reach this menu item under Lightroom:

    Screenshot  2012-08-14 at 10.22.50.png

    ...which is Located under "Library -> Plug-in Extras".


    I created a keyboard shortcut this way:

    Library>Plug-in Extras>Extended Search…

    It doesn't work.


    Could it be because of those grey titles? I tried to put them in the menu structure as penultimate level, but still can't manage to make it work.

  • T2YUKI Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    It doesn't seem to work in Mountin Lion.  How can I fix this?

  • TysonKan Calculating status...

    I don't have Lightroom, so I can't test this, but I know that sometimes instead of three periods, you need to use an elipsis - A totally separate character, but visually identical. Just hit Option-; instead of the period key 3 times.


    On the off chance you were using an ellipsis, try three periods.

  • macNtouch Calculating status...
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    Nov 24, 2012 12:16 PM (in response to T2YUKI)

    As I didn't want to bother what terminology to search for, I just tried a few different things and had it working again in Mountain Lion.


    Intead of ">", I used "->".


    Example (tried with success in Adium) : Display->Delete



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