88435 Views 351 Replies Latest reply: Jun 10, 2011 2:14 PM by le_garcon_typic
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 1:17 PM (in response to slashizzy)The "pretty story" is an explanation from the president of Apple on where the company stands in regards to Adobe Flash. The president even systematically explains why they don't/won't support Flash.
They don't support it.
So why is it so incredible to believe that the programs don't work perfectly together? And why do people think Apple is obligated to support Adobe Flash when they're publicly saying they wont, and have no intention to.Mac Pro i7 2.8, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 1:43 PM (in response to cjasonbr)I can't understand your "answer", honestly.
Don't forget that actually, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE'S THE PROBLEM.
I don't know why a lot of people think is a Flash related problem. For me, grabled graphics appear opening "Top-sites".
But...by the way...Do you think is logic that a web browser in 2011 doesn't support Flash?Macbook Pro 13.3" june 2010, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.26 2GB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 3:04 PM (in response to slashizzy)Indeed. Some of us have seen this problem when not running either Flash or Safari - I have seen it occur when booting my machine and going straight into DVD Player.MacBook Pro 2010 17" i7, Mac OS X (10.6.4), 8GB RAM/512 SSD
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 4:10 PM (in response to slashizzy)when you have Safari running Flash is also running- assuming you've downloaded the flash extension.
My top-sites was usually the first thing to start getting garbled too.
If you want to find the problem just uninstall Flash and see if you still have problems in Safari. I bet you wont. It's that simple.
and yes i think it makes perfect sense that Apple doesn't support Flash. If i made a browser extension i think the responsibility would be on me to make sure it works in browsers, not for the browser companies to make sure their browser will work with my plugin/extension.
It just doesnt make any sense for Apple to willingly shackle themselves to Adobe's software that Adobe owns.Mac Pro i7 2.8, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 4:14 PM (in response to JiminSF)I think that the problem sort of sticks around even after a reboot. I think that because after a clean wipe and OS install the graphics garbeling takes a while to manifest itself. But after it starts manifesting itself then it becomes more and more common- even after a reboot.Mac Pro i7 2.8, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 4:38 PM (in response to cjasonbr)
when you have Safari running Flash is also running...
not according to activity monitor - Flash & WebKitPluginAgent only load when you visit a page containing Flash; and whilst wkpa remains after closing any Flash tabs/windows, the plugin disappears from the list within seconds.
Sure, it might set something up for a fall, but the Flash process seems to have stopped
(this in 64 bit mode)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 5:03 PM (in response to andyBall_uk)wouldn't the extension load when the application starts? Certainly Safari isnt programmed to start Flash- it didnt even come with Flash.
Perhaps only when the Flash extension is using system resources it shows up in the activity window?
My computer is still problem free for a couple months. works perfect.Mac Pro i7 2.8, Mac OS X (10.6.6)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 5:23 PM (in response to cjasonbr)
wouldn't the extension load when the application starts?
as I said, it appears not to, and the file list for safari seems quite exhaustive. It doesn't show in lsof from terminal either.
Certainly Safari isnt programmed to start Flash
well it is, you visit a page with Flash, and if the plugin is available, it starts.
My computer is still problem free for a couple months. works perfect
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 6:10 PM (in response to andyBall_uk)well whatever. maybe youre right. i think the problem lingers, so i'm not convinced closing flash makes any difference after you run it on Safari. building up to a fall like you were saying.Mac Pro i7 2.8, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 6:48 PM (in response to cjasonbr)My Macbook Pro (13-inch) is having this problem when playing StarCraft 2, even when Safari is off...MBP 13" 2010, Mac OS X (10.6.6)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 7:04 PM (in response to elderwan)Here is where I was referring to Apple not preinstalling flash and several reasons why:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/22/applenot_preinstalling_flash_on_macs_ensures_users_have_latestversion.htmlMBP 15-inch 2.66 GHz Intel Core i7 / 4GB SDRAM / AG Screen (Mid 2010), Mac OS X (10.6.6), iPhone 3GS (32GB), AEBS DB II (Late 2009), Apple Wired Keyboard/Mouse, ClamXav 2
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 7:36 PM (in response to powerbook1701)^"Jobs also revealed that Flash is the number one reason for crashes on the Mac platform. For its part, Adobe fired back and said that any crashes of Flash in Mac OS X are not related to its software, but are instead the fault of Apple's operating system."
well there you goMac Pro i7 2.8, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 8:55 PM (in response to cjasonbr)Please stop hijacking this thread with talk about Flash! I am no fan of Flash, but I have yet to read anything that convinces me that Flash is the root of the problem. To convince me that Flash is indeed the problem, explain to me why this problem seems to be abnormally prevalent on high-res Core i7 MBPs and goes away when switching to NVIDIA graphics. If Flash is the problem, why does the problem not appear with the NVIDIA card or on more Core i5 MBPs? Flash is software and would seem to use the same stack for both the NVIDIA and Intel chip. I could buy that the drivers for the Intel chip might be at fault, but this would not be Flash's fault. In addition, many users (myself included) have posted about circumstances when the problem crops up and Flash is not running. For me, I've seen it in Preview.app when many documents are open as well as in Safari when viewing large images not in any Flash content.MacBook Pro i7 high-res, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 15, 2011 11:14 PM (in response to dave727)Well I am soon to unsubscribe from this thread. All this talk of Adobe hating Apple, Apple hating Adobe, Adobe software ***** (try convincing CS5 users of that), and Flash bashing etc. So I agree with dave727.
I apologies for repeating myself to the people that actually have taken the time to read the entire thread but for those of you who have joined this thread recently and cant be bothered reading it before commenting (and there are a lot of you), my garbled were solved by slightly by using gfxCardStatus to force switching under my control, but was eventually solved 100% by having the logic board replaced. Simple as that. My Advice: demand a hardware fix from you Apple dealer. Good Luck.1 x 2010 i7 17"MBP,2x2010 13"MBA, 2 x 20" iMac,, Mac OS X (10.6.6), 2 x iPhone4, 3 x iPod touch 4th Gen
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 16, 2011 10:57 PM (in response to dave727)hijacking the thread about flash???????? Did you read the thread?
Dave: WHY DOES THE PROBLEM NOT HAPPEN IF YOU DONT HAVE FLASH INSTALLED???????????????????????
I have yet to see one post where someone says they have a graphics problem and flash isn't installed usually in Safari.
I have been inviting people to remove Flash from their system and see if they still have a problem. I have yet to hear from someone that they uninstalled Flash and still have the problem.
I for one do not have Flash installed into my Safari app and i have ZERO PROBLEMS. I went from using Safari and Flash and having constant problems to using Chrome and Flash and having ZERO problems.
and yes mine was surely popping up when flash wasn't running also. It was happening all the time. Especially in the Safari start page like i said a few posts up^^^^^^^Mac Pro i7 2.8, Mac OS X (10.6.5)