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Hypercyclic in Mainstage

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Senne Guns Calculating status...
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Feb 17, 2011 4:53 AM
Hi all,

I'm trying to set-up Hypercyclic (arpeggiator-plugin) in Mainstage to arpeggiate my juno 106 but I can't seem to set it up correctly.

Here's what I do:

I create a software instrument track (since you can only insert Hypercyclic as an AU-instrument). My juno 106 is connected, MIDI IN/OUT to my Edirol FA101 interface. When I select this interface as the object to receive midi from in Hypercyclic AND the object to send midi to and when I let the Hypercyclic sequencer run, nothing happens...

So I looked around and tried it by using an IAC-bus. Created an external midi track in mainstage, set the output to IAC-bus 1, set the input of Hypercyclic to IAC-bus 1 and output to Edirol... nothing happened.

I'm quiet stuck here, since I can't understand why the first approach (simply selecting MIDI IN/OUT both to and from the Edirol FA101) doesn't work. Mainstage receives MIDI IN from the FA101, it comes into Hypercyclic, which should gate the incomming midi signal and send it back to the MIDI OUT of the FA101.

Clearly it's not this obvious, so if anyone has any ideas of how this should be done: please let me know!

Thanks in advance!

Senne
MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • valgreen Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)
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    Feb 17, 2011 10:09 AM (in response to Senne Guns)
    HI,

    sorry, this is not going to work on Mainstage (at least on the current version).

    software Instrument channels are intended to just receive incoming MIDI data, and convert it into audio.
    To send MIDI messages out to the hardware world you should use an External Instrument channel, but it does not allow you to insert Hipercyclic, since it expects only audio plugins, to process the incoming AUDIO data from that external hardware instrument. External Instrument channels are useful to send MIDI data generated, say, by on screen controls, but there are no MIDI plugins such as an arpeggiator (a real pity, IMHO)

    My suggestion would be to use a nice free application called Midipipe (http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/)
    You can send your Midi output data from MS to Midipipe (in the background), set the arpeggiator (using message converter and transpose options), and finally send this modified data to your MIDI out port.

    If you have some difficulty configuring this, just send me a line.

    Valgreen
    MacBook Pro, 4GbRAM, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • JasTheMusicman Level 2 Level 2 (250 points)
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    Feb 17, 2011 5:26 PM (in response to Senne Guns)
    Not sure, but this also might be an option for you...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irrDdoVxEDo
    iMac G5, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
  • valgreen Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)
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    Feb 18, 2011 8:24 AM (in response to JasTheMusicman)
    Very neat solution, Jas!

    definetly better than my approach, although both share the same problem:
    What if you want different arpeggio setting for every patch, while you are on a gig? would it mean changing to different logic files?

    I would love if arpeggiator or other MIDI processes could simply be a plugin, easily inserted somewhere in the instrument channel.

    Valgreen
    MacBook Pro, 4GbRAM, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • JasTheMusicman Level 2 Level 2 (250 points)
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    Feb 18, 2011 11:21 AM (in response to valgreen)
    Thanks, but yeah, you're right...would be much simpler with a straight AU plug in. I do think your idea of MIDIPipe is probably the best alternative to the plugin.

    Would be nice if Apple made some of these features available straight in MS!
    iMac G5, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
  • valgreen Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)
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    Feb 20, 2011 4:08 PM (in response to Senne Guns)
    Hi, Curls & Jas

    I've been refreshing my programming skills..i have just done some test with Midipipe and Mainstage, and built a basic arpeggiator. It still needs further development and testing to ensure it does not generate any MIDI conflict, so give me some time and when I have it done I'll share it with you for some final testing and then we can share it to the whole forum.
    It will allow note resolution selection (quarter, eights,..), connected to MS tempo, and with some extra programming even selectable arpeggio modes.

    i'll get back soon
    valgreen
    MacBook Pro, 4GbRAM, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • JasTheMusicman Level 2 Level 2 (250 points)
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    Feb 20, 2011 6:42 PM (in response to valgreen)
    Hey Valgreen,

    Cool..sounds like you're making good progress.

    I gotta say with you sharing your experience with the forum, you're a great representative of what "community" means in the mainstage community forum!
    iMac G5, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
  • valgreen Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)
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    Feb 23, 2011 3:42 PM (in response to JasTheMusicman)
    Curls, Jas...I got something cool to share with you. please send me an email so i can send you some files.

    valgreen
    MacBook Pro, 4GbRAM, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
  • shane2183 Calculating status...
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    Aug 21, 2011 3:39 AM (in response to valgreen)

    Hi Valgreen,

     

    Im really hoping that you're still checking this because I'm pretty sure I need your Midipipe setup.

     

    I just bought a M-Audio Axiom controller and am trying to get it setup to run as my live rig with mainstage.

     

    So far it was looking promising but I've just discovered there is no Arpeggio!!!! and I'm spewing.

     

    I need an arpeggio that can read mainstage's TapTemp and if at all possible can be 'locked' or latched on as per normal harware synths

     

    Cheers,

     

    Shane

  • shane2183 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 21, 2011 3:57 AM (in response to shane2183)

    oh actually im not trying to arpeggiate an external synth so maybe I don't need it.

     

    Hopefully i can get it working with hypercyclic plugin arpeggiating my midi input from my axiom controller

     

    I'm a bit of a rookie at this....

  • Marcos Vampa Calculating status...
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    Aug 31, 2011 4:36 PM (in response to Senne Guns)

    Hi Senne,

     

    I saw your other topic "Strange knob behaviour". I can't post because it was archived.

    Please, tell me,  did you solved that? Mainstage 2.1.3 fix "relative" bug?

     

    I'm migrating from Windows, and considering buy Logic/Mainstage... But I'm worry because "relative" is so important, I can't believe it doesn't work.

     

    Thanks,

    Marcos

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