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Feb 21, 2011 5:52 AM in response to Robert P2by Barney-15E,I don't think there is one, but you could always [buy a sandboxed, physical environment|http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=powermac+g5&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=power+macg5&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbs=shop:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=521 iTd7ZIIutgQentpSVAg&ved=0CHkQrQQ&biw=1175&bih=784&bav=on.1,or.&fp=9ccb44d24f243e a8] that runs Tiger. -
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Feb 21, 2011 6:42 AM in response to Robert P2by Topher Kessler,Try sheep shaver: http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/ -
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Feb 21, 2011 3:33 PM in response to Barney-15Eby Robert P2,Barney-15E: "don't think there is one, but you could always buy a sandboxed, physical environment that runs Tiger."
well yes but this is the problem, I don't want to be reliant on increasingly old hardware if I can avoid it, I already have 2 G4 machines one of which just died with a bang and the other (G4 powerbook) is 6 years old
I don't think it will too many years before Rosetta is no longer included with OSX -
Feb 21, 2011 3:38 PM in response to Robert P2by a brody,Adobe has managed to integrate a lot of Freehand into its newer versions of Illustrator. Perhaps what you need to do be doing is finding a version of Illustrator that lets you do that on your machine at a price you can afford.
The other option is to get a second used or refurbished Mac*
http://www.macmaps.com/usedrefurbished.html
That already supports the operating systems you require.
- * Links to my pages may give me compensation. -
Feb 21, 2011 3:44 PM in response to Robert P2by Barney-15E,Well, that's sort of the root of your problem. You are staying reliant on increasingly old software.
And, I believe you are correct about Rosetta. Maybe then you'll see more emulators. -
Feb 21, 2011 3:58 PM in response to Barney-15Eby Kurt Lang,Some of the problem with keeping old PPC programs running may be OS X's design. For instance, in Leopard, I have/had one PPC only Photoshop filter, KnockOut, that Corel hadn't updated in years (big freakin' surprise there!). It would work if I launched PS CS4 in Rosetta mode. However, doing the same thing with PS CS4 in Snow Leopard doesn't work. KnockOut will not run.
What's different between Leopard and Snow Leopard that KnockOut won't run? I have no idea. But it is telling that while Freehand can be run under Snow Leopard, it may fail in later versions of the Mac OS for no apparent reason. -
Feb 22, 2011 7:04 AM in response to a brodyby Robert P2,a brody: Adobe has managed to integrate a lot of Freehand into its newer versions of Illustrator. Perhaps what you need to do be doing is finding a version of Illustrator that lets you do that on your machine at a price you can afford.
yes I use illustrator cs3 at the moment, it's ok as far as it goes, however I am loathed to give Adobe any more of my money as they have a special "premium" price for us in the UK, almost double the US price in some cases! it's a disgrace
my biggest problem is that I have 15 years of Freehand files that I need to access on a regular basis, and Adobe have decided to kill the app basically, they refuse to update it or sell it to another company, so I have to do whatever I can to keep it working -
Feb 22, 2011 7:15 AM in response to Robert P2by Tom in London,FWIW Robert, a guy who used to work for Adobe told me it's deliberate policy to "kill" earlier versions of their apps so that people are forced to pay for new versions.
I'm still heavily reliant on a range of "old" apps that I've been using for years. It could cripple or slow down my business if I can't (for example) access my thousands of old AppleWorks files (databases, WP files, spreadsheets, graphics files) that I have archived and often need to consult.
So if Apple is as business-savvy as it claims to be I hope it will think about its long-term customers who run businesses just like Apple does, and will not discontinue Rosetta for many years to come.
If they do, then I too will be looking for something similar. There's no way I could go back through years of old files that will only open with old apps, and save each and every one of them into new formats for new applications.
Apart from anything else, 10 years further on down the line, I might have to do it all again -
Feb 22, 2011 7:15 AM in response to Robert P2by a brody,Robert,
Then do as I say, and get a used or refurbished Mac that can manage those files until you are able to upgrade. There are plenty of sources for old software as well as old hardware. Don't give money to Adobe. Nobody is forcing you to. You choose what upgrade path you want. As I say, some people still use 20 year old Macs for business, and are quite happy. -
Feb 22, 2011 7:18 AM in response to a brodyby Tom in London,Brody, that might be the solution- keep the older stuff on an older Mac. But copy/paste from the old Mac to the new one? Hmm. -
Feb 22, 2011 7:23 AM in response to Tom in Londonby a brody,There is a software called PDF Creator for Mac OS 9 that at least will make anything you can print into a PDF that you can then move to Mac OS X over a network. Mac OS X networks with Mac OS 9 like this*:
http://www.macmaps.com/network9X.html
- * Links to my pages may give me compensation.
