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ublue Calculating status...
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Feb 20, 2011 3:06 AM
I recently discovered that overwriting files selected in Finder with the little preview expanded is not possible because finder keeps the file in use. When preview is collapsed the problem does not occur.
This happens i.e. when exporting a pdf in Indesign, check the size of the file and then later re-export the pdf. This is very annoying and I think Finder should not lock the file when showing the file with preview expanded. The file is not really in use by another app.

Apple please fix this small bug but annoying bug.
MacPro, Mac OS X (10.6.6)
  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,945 points)
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    Feb 20, 2011 4:55 AM (in response to ublue)
    I recently discovered that overwriting files selected in Finder with the little preview expanded is not possible


    It's perfectly possible here, assuming by "preview" you're talking about the preview shown when you select a file in column view in a Finder window. I just tested to make sure. Works fine.

    Apple please fix this small bug but annoying bug.


    You're not talking to Apple here, you're talking to other Mac users.
    17" MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.6), iPhone 4
  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,945 points)
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    Feb 20, 2011 6:09 AM (in response to ublue)
    I cannot duplicate that behavior here, though I don't have Indesign. I tried with another Adobe app (Photoshop Elements), and was able to save over the file just fine, regardless of whether the preview was displayed in the Finder. I don't know what's going on, but if it only happens in Indesign, it's not a bug in the Finder as you seem to be suggesting. Are you able to duplicate the behavior in any other apps?

    You're not talking to Apple here, you're talking to other Mac users.

    Sure, but someone might pick it up


    I suppose that's possible, in much the same way that it is possible that I could throw a message in a bottle in Lake Erie and expect it to be found by a friend on the English coast. Technically possible, but putting the letter in the mail with the right address on it would be more effective. If you truly believe this is a bug, you can let Apple know with the [Apple feedback page|http://www.apple.com/feedback>... but based on what you've said so far, that would be a waste of someone's time. If it is a bug, you need to gather more information if you expect your report to be taken seriously.
    17" MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.6), iPhone 4
  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,945 points)
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    Feb 20, 2011 7:06 AM (in response to ublue)
    I think it is bug in Finder because when I look in the Activity Monitor and inspect Finder and look at open files my file is listed there!


    I see the same thing, but that does not prevent me from saving over the file, in any app that I have tested. Something else is going on.

    I asked you earlier, but you didn't answer: can you reproduce this behavior with anything other than InDesign?
    17" MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.6), iPhone 4
  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,945 points)
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    Feb 20, 2011 8:33 AM (in response to ublue)
    There are many ways for an application to overwrite a file, different API's with different side effects.


    As a former developer, I'm well aware of the APIs. However, you don't actually think that Adobe managed to find APIs that nobody else is using, in any other software that either of us has tried, including other Adobe products, do you? That does not make sense at all.

    The fact that Activity Monitor reports the file as being open does not mean anything, since that fact does not affect me in any way at all, nor does it affect you in any way except when doing one specific thing in InDesign. We do not know what Activity Monitor is actually reporting, how often that list of open files is refreshed and many other things.

    What you have demonstrated thus far is a problem with InDesign. Most likely, knowing Adobe, they have misused the APIs by relying on undocumented behavior or they are still using deprecated APIs somewhere in the InDesign code. This should be reported to Adobe.
    17" MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.6), iPhone 4
  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,945 points)
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    Feb 20, 2011 11:52 AM (in response to ublue)
    I find it unlikely that they are using undocumented features or deprecated APIs.


    Adobe is known to do so from time to time, as are many developers.

    P.S. No offence, but it seems that you are not an Adobe fan.


    I am neither a fan nor a "hater"... simply aware of Adobe's history.
    17" MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.6), iPhone 4
  • garbageman Calculating status...
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    Feb 20, 2011 1:04 PM (in response to ublue)
    {quote}Without my program running, Finder is the only other candidate as demonstrated in earlier posts.{quote}

    I tested this in ID CS5 and could overwrite the file no problem showing the preview. Not only that but I left the quicklook open and was able to save the file and then I left the get info window open and saved the file no problem. Then I left the pdf open in Acrobat Pro and received the file in use as expected. Not sure what the problem is but I'm with the others here and doubt the Finder is the problem.
    MBP 2.53 GHz i5 8 GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.6.6), 23 inch Cinema Display, 16GB White iPhone 3GS
  • RodneyW Level 4 Level 4 (3,030 points)
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    Feb 21, 2011 1:49 PM (in response to ublue)
    Looks like a Finder problem to me!


    I do not have Adobe Design CSx .... but I've tested this with numerous other programs, and have been unable to replicate the issue.

    If it were a Finder problem, would it not happen to all applications?
    MacBook Pro (2.53 GHz, 4GB, 13i), Mac OS X (10.6.6), MacBook (2.16 Ghz, 2 GB), Powerbook G4 12i (867 MHz, 640MB, 10.5.8)
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