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Q: Can't network OSX 10.5.8 to OS 8 machine

I recently upgraded my Power PC G5 from Panther to Leopard 10.5.8 and I can no longer network to my old computer running OS 8. I have the computers connected via an Ethernet hub. With Panther, the G5 recognized the OS 8 machine on the network. But with Leopard 10.5.8, when I try to "connect to server" the OS machine is not available as an option on the network. On the older machine, I have the TCP/IP settings as: Connect via Ethernet, Configure using DHCP server. The G5 is connected to the Ethernet, and also configured using DHCP. These settings worked when I was on Panther. Do I have to change something to get 10.5.8 to find the OS8 machine on the network?

Dual 2 GHz Power PC G5, Mac OS X (10.5.8)

Posted on Feb 21, 2011 12:25 PM

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Q: Can't network OSX 10.5.8 to OS 8 machine

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  • by Niel,Helpful

    Niel Niel Feb 21, 2011 12:59 PM in response to 2bdesign
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    Feb 21, 2011 12:59 PM in response to 2bdesign
    You need to install Shareway IP on the Mac OS 8 machine.

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  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,Helpful

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Feb 21, 2011 6:32 PM in response to 2bdesign
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    Feb 21, 2011 6:32 PM in response to 2bdesign
    There is no more support for AppleTalk File Sharing beyond 10.3 Panther, and AppleTalk Printer support disappears after 10.5 Leopard.

    There is nothing you can add to 10.5 to restore AppleTalk File Sharing. As Niel has suggested, OS 8 can share its files with ShareWay IP. If your older Mac could run OS 9, it includes a version of ShareWay IP.

    You can share 10.5 files From an OS 8 system \[actually as early as 7.5.3 with a few updates] by starting from the OS 8 computer and using the ( Server IP Address ) button that appears in the Chooser AppleShare pane. Enter the IP Address of the 10.5 Mac and click Connect.

    The login screen that appears is sent by the Mac OS X Mac. The username is filled in automatically by the OS 8 or 9 Mac, by automatically entering the OS 8 or 9 Sharing Name. It is almost always WRONG. The OS 8 or 9 Mac fills the password field with a FIXED number of bullets -- it has no idea how long the password is. Enter a username and password that is valid for the Mac OS X Mac and you should be connected.
  • by 2bdesign,

    2bdesign 2bdesign Feb 22, 2011 6:38 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Feb 22, 2011 6:38 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    I followed your directions and was able to connect the computers (the 10.5.8 disc showed up on the OS8 screen). But now when I try to print from the 10.5.8 machine, I get an alert "AppleTalk disabled in System Preferences. AppleTalk is turned off."and I can't print...even when I turn off the OS8 machine so they shouldn't be connected any more. I was still able to print from the OS8 machine though, after I connected them. Any suggestions?
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,Solvedanswer

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Feb 22, 2011 6:57 AM in response to 2bdesign
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    Feb 22, 2011 6:57 AM in response to 2bdesign
    I think this problem may not be related to AppleTalk File Sharing.

    Make sure that in
    System Preferences > Network > (your primary Interface) > AppleTalk pane ...

    That the AppleTalk option is enabled for that interface.
  • by 2bdesign,

    2bdesign 2bdesign Feb 22, 2011 7:05 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Feb 22, 2011 7:05 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    Thank you Grant! I wasn't able to find the AppleTalk pane on the 10.5.8 machine before I got your most recent post. Problem solved.

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  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Feb 22, 2011 7:28 AM in response to 2bdesign
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    Feb 22, 2011 7:28 AM in response to 2bdesign
    In some versions of Mac OS X, the AppleTalk pane is accessed via an ( Advanced ) options button.
  • by Walkiria,

    Walkiria Walkiria Mar 7, 2011 1:53 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Mar 7, 2011 1:53 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    Jumping on this bandwagon, does this mean I cannot network my iMac with 10.6.4 with my clamshell using OS 8.x.x.??? I was hoping to put it to good use after recovering it form my Mac museum.

    I am having problems right now just connecting it to the Internet!
  • by tdbmoss,

    tdbmoss tdbmoss Mar 8, 2011 4:18 PM in response to Walkiria
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    Mar 8, 2011 4:18 PM in response to Walkiria
    10.6 (Snow Leopard) has no support for AppleTalk any more, 10.5 was the last version that included some support for it - however the "Clamshell" iBooks will run OS X versions up to 10.4 (Tiger) provided that you have 256 MB or more of memory which would make it a lot easier to use online/share files with and generally a lot more compatible/useful.

    With OS 8.x or 9.x you should be able to connect to your network as far as getting on the internet is concerned though, just use the TCP/IP control panel to set it up as appropriate - all browsers for the Classic OS are pretty hopelessly outdated these days though so again Tiger will make the machine much more useful.
  • by Walkiria,

    Walkiria Walkiria Mar 8, 2011 5:41 PM in response to tdbmoss
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    Mar 8, 2011 5:41 PM in response to tdbmoss
    I was mistaken, I had OS 9 INSTALLED on the clamshell. Yesterday I was able to see the clamshell on my iMac (10.6.4) but I don't remember how I did it. I know I had to specify the computer name and the password and the IP address (I think) and the clamshell appeared on the desktop.

    Procedure? I cannot remember!
    Help

    I need to do this consistently.

    Since the ip address will change --there are several computers at home-- everytime they ara turne don at different times I need to repeat this every time.
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Mar 8, 2011 7:02 PM in response to Walkiria
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    Mar 8, 2011 7:02 PM in response to Walkiria
    OS 9 is capable of accepting connections via IP, because Apple included a custom version of ShareWayIP.

    In OS 9 sharing, you check a checkbox somewhere that says allow connections via IP. Then you can use the Mac OS X Finder's GO menu to connect to the OS 9 computer's IP Address. The login box that appears confirms the Server's name, but mine would not connect with just the name. It insisted on the IP Address UNLESS I used the computername.local -- then it connected immediately.

    Message was edited by: Grant Bennet-Alder
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Mar 8, 2011 7:01 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Mar 8, 2011 7:01 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
    I decided to give the OS 9 computer a manual IP address anyway. It needed to be:
    • in the same range of 255 addresses that the other computers get via DHCP
    • NOT one of the addresses that will soon be passed out by the DHCP -- above or below work fine.
    • Not address 1, that is the Router's address
    • Not address 254 or 255, those are reserved for special purposes.

    Example:
    Router at 192.168.0.1 passes out addresses from 192.168.0.2 upwards...
    ... use an address like 192.168.0.201, which you will never pass out via DHCP

    Example:
    Router at 192.168.0.1 passes out addresses from 192.168.0.101
    .. use an address like 192.168.0.17, which will never collide with DHCP Addresses and may be easier to remember, but takes more Router configuring.

    Message was edited by: Grant Bennet-Alder