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LawrenceHare Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

Has anyone reviewed Mail under Lion to know whether the Mailboxes column as used in 4.5 can be used in the same way with Lion's version? I receive a significant amount of email and have a number of IMAP accounts and mail On My Mac, with filters taking care of about 80% of the mail processing. A quick glance at the Mailboxes column in 4.5 tells me what mailboxes I need to review, and the important stuff is in the primary Inbox which is shared for all accounts. I can then click on mailboxes under the IMAP accounts or OnMyMac to review the email I need to look at.

 

 

The reviews I have read of Lion mail show a favorites "bar" which will not give me the breadth I use to see all the mailboxes, with their summary count of unread mail, and the ability to click the twirly triangle to open them to see exactly where the mail has been put, if indeed I need to look at it now - or at all. I have an iPad and the mail program is fine for quick use in a meeting or conference, but for heavy duty mail management the iPad mail viewer is  inadequate, the Snow Leopard version is excellent.

 

 

Can I continue to do this in Lion? It is going to be a horrendous problem if not.

 

 

Thanks - Lawrence


Mac SE, PowerBook 140, 2 MacMinis, MacBook Pro 17", 24" iMac and a panic of PCs, Mac OS X (10.6.5)
  • 1. Re: Lion Mail usage
    Cindy Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)

    I have the same question. Looking over the new Lion Mail it doesn't look like it is going to accomadate all the folders I have. And I have a lot of them most of them relating to business. I'm not too sure the new mail is going to work for me. Not only do I not see the folders it may cause a problem when migrating.

     

    Does anyone have any info on this?

  • 2. Re: Lion Mail usage
    Cindy Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)

    I think I found the answer. Go to this page and scroll down until you see a video. Play it and you will see the folders. I think it is going to work ok.

     

    http://bestsecuritytsoftware.com/mac/download-new-mac-os-x-lion-mail-free-email- software/

  • 3. Re: Lion Mail usage
    LawrenceHare Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Thank you Cindy, that gives me hope! I could get no sound and I saw none of the twisty triangles next to the folders, but seeing that display gives me hope it will be okay. I am VERY concerned that this embracing of iOS on the Mac platform represents a "dumbing-down" of the interface. I have ALWAYS been able to stick an app on the desktop, I do not need - not do I want, the iOS architecture all over the place. It is fine for the limited use of an iPad or iPhone, but completely unacceptable for my MacBook or iMac. I like to keep my desktop clean, I use it for intermediate and temporary stuff while building Omnigraffle, Photoshop, Word, Powerpoint - and whatnot - documents. I do not use my iPad or iPhone for such things, only my MacBook Pro and iMac. I have over 40,000 photos files on all three Macs I own in synchronized file systems which works for my entire family, and is synchronized on my NAS. I do not WANT any OS X deciding how to file files for me.

     

    I confess that Lion worries me. I see LESS features rather than MORE!

     

    Lawrence

  • 4. Re: Lion Mail usage
    Cindy Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)

    Glad that helped. I won't be upgrading after all. Turns out it gets rid of Rosetta and I have too many programs I need running on it.

  • 5. Re: Lion Mail usage
    etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (24,270 points)

    LawrenceHare wrote:

     

    I am VERY concerned that this embracing of iOS on the Mac platform represents a "dumbing-down" of the interface.

     

    What's dumb about iOS? The last time I checked, the consensus on iOS was "brilliant".

     

    I have ALWAYS been able to stick an app on the desktop, I do not need - not do I want, the iOS architecture all over the place.

     

    Are you aware that the iOS architecture is identical to that of MacOS X?

     

    It is fine for the limited use of an iPad or iPhone, but completely unacceptable for my MacBook or iMac.

     

    How do you know? Ever tried it?

     

    I do not WANT any OS X deciding how to file files for me.

     

    All operating systems do that.

  • 6. Re: Lion Mail usage
    LawrenceHare Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Hi Etresoft, I fear I was unclear, I am not concerned about the iOS interface nor did I call it dumb, I have been using the iPhone since it appeared and also an iPad, it is the dumbing-down of OS X I am concerned about. iOS is excellent, but the application of iOS to iPhone and iPad class hardware and the capability of those platforms is a far cry from the work I do on my iMac and MacBook Pro. I have been using Apple gear since Lisa and have a Fat Mac right here in my office. My Macs are used within an enterprise, which exists at the office and is extended into my home. The system includes PCs and NAS devices. Although I am pleased to see new features being introduced, I would not want them at the expense of existing capability.

     

    OS X has, at least in the past, been capable of supporting attribute based file systems which are excellent. Such systems are wonderful for folks who use a single computer and have no interest in learning how to structure and use a name-based hierarchical file system; my kids at college, my parents, perfect examples of a target market for attribute file systems. I am an enterprise architect however and use a lot of high-end tools, I need a file system over which I have full control. iOS does not stand a chance!

     

    You say that the iOS architecture is identical to that of Mac OS X. Not so. The underlying core is likely "almost" identical, the kernel may be very close although pre-emptive multi-tasking and other aspects of application control are quite different, and the overlying GUI is not the same at all.

     

    I said: "[iOS] is fine for the limited use of an iPad or iPhone, but completely unacceptable for my MacBook or iMac." You say: "How do you know? Ever tried it?"

     

    Good grief! Of course! I carry an iPad and iPhone with me everywhere. The iPad is my principal tool for meetings and conference, it connects wirelessly to the enterprise. I've used an iPhone since their inception.

     

    I said: "I do not WANT any OS X deciding how to file files for me." And you replied "All operating systems do that."

     

    Maybe you are referring to the technical aspect of how a file is stored on a hard drive and the type of system, journaled or no, attribute-based or whatever. Yes, the O/S does that. But the organization of a file system is up to the user. For a single-system user it is not too important, and an attribute-based system may well be the best. Either way, for a single-system user the difference is marginal. For an enterprise however it is a significant difference. I cannot use anything other than a hierarchical system with SMB and AFP support. Clearly journaled is an important factor, but if OS X were to make significant changes to its file system it would have a serious impact.

     

    Another big issue with iOS is lack of Flash. Depending on your line of work, this may have little impact, but in my line I am constantly hitting sites where Flash is used for any number of reasons. Wallaby and other tools will help reduce the impact of this issue, but they are not being used much yet, nor are they 100% solid. We'll get there I make no doubt, but until we do, iOS does not cut the mustard.

     

    I have one person here now running a pre-release of Lion, I am beginning to get input and answers to some of my questions. I am an early-adopter of Apple products, but - so far - Lion is going to have to wait.

     

    Cheers - Lawrence

  • 7. Re: Lion Mail usage
    etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (24,270 points)

    LawrenceHare wrote:

     

    I need a file system over which I have full control. iOS does not stand a chance!

    Can you rename "/System" to something else? Can you rename your home directory to something other than your short name? I guess you don't have "full control" after all, now do you?

     

    You say that the iOS architecture is identical to that of Mac OS X. Not so. The underlying core is likely "almost" identical, the kernel may be very close although pre-emptive multi-tasking and other aspects of application control are quite different, and the overlying GUI is not the same at all.

     

    Yes. iOS uses a touch interface as opposed to the Aqua interfaces of MacOSX. iOS also doesn't have the Finder. The rest of the architeture, including multitasking, is identical. Multitasking is restricted due to the inherent limitations of a mobile device and the lack of skill of typical programmers, but that is a restriction imposed by Apple. The underlying technology is the same.

     

    Clearly journaled is an important factor, but if OS X were to make significant changes to its file system it would have a serious impact.

     

    Has anyone ever implied there were significant, or any, changes to the file system in Lion?

     

    Another big issue with iOS is lack of Flash. ... We'll get there I make no doubt, but until we do, iOS does not cut the mustard.

     

    Think again. Flash is dead - even Adobe is getting into HTML5.

     

    Lion is going to have to wait.

     

    Perhaps until it is actually released or something.

  • 8. Re: Lion Mail usage
    Eddie Prior1 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Aren't these level 6 guys a pain?

  • 9. Re: Lion Mail usage
    twtwtw Level 5 Level 5 (4,690 points)

    I can say with certainty that the level 6 people are sometimes annoying but usually correct, while the level 1 people - when they happen to be annoying - are just plain annoying.  Sometimes the only difference between a medicine and a poison in the skill with which it's used.

     

    But then, I'm a level 4 guy, and we all know what they're like!

  • 10. Re: Lion Mail usage
    etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (24,270 points)

    twtwtw wrote:

     

    But then, I'm a level 4 guy, and we all know what they're like!

    Hungry!

     

    In my defense, that was back on June 10. I was wrapping up two major software releases and just a little bit frazzled. I'm much more mellow now.

  • 11. Re: Lion Mail usage
    LawrenceHare Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Well - Mr. Level 6 sure did not impress me! I guess "go for the throat" is an acceptable level 6 response technique, but I think that if "... wrapping up two major software releases and just a little bit frazzled ..." means being rude then I'll request responses from levels 3, 4 and - risky perhaps - 5, in the future. Shame too, these are interesting points and Mr. Level 6 would appear to have some insight, but I guess being level 1 is simply too low on the food chain to be worthy...

  • 12. Re: Lion Mail usage
    twtwtw Level 5 Level 5 (4,690 points)

    There has got to be something more pleasant to do on a saturday morning than this.  let it go.

  • 13. Re: Lion Mail usage
    etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (24,270 points)

    If it makes you feel any better, levels aren't too significant. Judge people by what they say, not how many dots they have. I know many level 3,4, and 5 people I would trust over anyone else.

     

    I think my responses have been pretty consistent regardless of my level. When I see someone spouting nonsense and ranting, I try to engage them with logic and directness. I remember one of my first bosses called me "tactless" in 1993. I'm older now and try to be as tactful as I can, while still being honest. I try to please. If you want help, I'll try to help. If you want to fight, I'll try to oblige that too.

     

    Don't take it personally. I don't. I find a good argument entertaining.

  • 14. Re: Lion Mail usage
    Eddie Prior1 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I'm not really concerned here, other than first pointing out that 'level 6 guys are a pain', and I also suspect that they will have to have the last word, but, etresoft, I must say Laurence was not spouting nonsense nor ranting, and you were certainly not engaging him with logic and directness. Indeed, you were doing the ranting - and being very rude.

    Perhaps your first boss had more insight all these years ago into how to deal with people than you have today. If you are now more mellow, it dont show!

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