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Q: What happens to iWeb when there's no Mobile Me?

I was disappointed to learn that Apple will turn off Mobile Me next year. I'm a teacher and I liked using iWeb to create a small website for my classes (Homework, Activities,etc.). It was easy and the pages looked OK to me. I haven renewed my Mobile Me subscription when I bought a new iMac in January. Now I have to go through a bunch s__t to get a refund.

 

I am not interested in iClouds, iPhones, iPads, etc. I just don't want all the extra stuff. I just liked having an easy to post a website and create decent looking webpages.

 

You have to pay for iCloud, right? If I don't use and don't intend to use any iOS devices, what good is iCloud? Does it have any value?

 

What happens to my iDisk after June 30, 2012? Does it disappear?

 

Will iWeb be killed as well? I am told that you can publish webpages with iWeb to 3rd party sites, but if the application is no longer supported, it won't be long before it won't work correctly.

 

Are there any applications as good as and EASY as iWeb to use?

iBook G4 / iMacG4 / iMacG5 / / Mac Book Pro/ eMac, Mac OS X (10.5.8)

Posted on Jun 6, 2011 7:48 PM

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  • by artistjoh,

    artistjoh artistjoh Jun 17, 2011 2:00 AM in response to JamesJM
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    Jun 17, 2011 2:00 AM in response to JamesJM

    JamesJM wrote:

     

      Opening up my iWeb and copying my text, lists, images WITH wrapping, (various objects), I could paste them into RapidWeaver and it worked… from what I saw, almost perfectly.  Same with SandVox… WOW… create in iWeb then copy and paste… it's not that bad of a solution… until I learn all the ins and outs of whichever other application I choose.

     

    Yes, of course, I know.   If the 'copy and paste' works from iWeb then you don't need iWeb… it can be done within those two applications…. but it's still a very quick and easy fix until I learn a 'new' way.

     

    Sorry, James, I should have thought to mention that. Several of these smaller companies get business by poaching customers from other services and so build in the ability to transfer material from pre-existing sites since rebuild time is the biggest disincentive to change platforms. Both the ones I suggested allow this so it does make the job easier.

     

    HOWEVER, there always has to be a however in life, doesn't there? In order to get the simplicity built into iWeb the program creates the most terrible code. This is acceptable from the users point of view but it does not help the performance of a site in the search engines. Acceptable if you have a good links strategy in place and as part of the package of having a super quick and easy site to work with that is updated frequently and uses minimum time and yet looks great.

     

    While copying and pasting is sensible as a way to transfer material from your existing site I would not recommend creating fresh material in iWeb with the intent of transferring it on an ongoing basis. You will be better served by learning to do all that in RapidWeaver.

     

    That large and active community of both users and developers makes it a fabulous platform to work with despite some quirks. The code produced seems to be quite good and there are SEO options. Unfortunately blog commenting is done by signing up for a third party service (free) but not as elegant as iWeb commenting.

     

    Of course, while Rapid Weaver works with any hosting, the standard thing was to use Mobile Me which was already paid for for syncing iPhone/computer etc and so was not an extra cost. Now hosting will be an extra monthly cost.

     

    For me, I will move my iWeb site elsewhere and probably to RapidWeaver, but because of inevitable design changes that will be necessary I will redo the entire site so there will be a lot of work to do, but probably not until next year.

  • by Ethmoid,

    Ethmoid Ethmoid Jun 17, 2011 2:11 AM in response to TopSteve
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    Jun 17, 2011 2:11 AM in response to TopSteve

    iWeb 3 is iWeb 09 which is part of the iLife 09 package or iLife 11.

     

    I'm not sure how many people want to use web sharing in this way, I'm sure most would just upload to another server and I'm sure that they already realise that they would need to either use the built in ftp to do this or select the publish to a local folder option.

  • by Alancito,

    Alancito Alancito Jun 17, 2011 3:01 AM in response to Ethmoid
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    Jun 17, 2011 3:01 AM in response to Ethmoid

    Ethmoid wrote:

     

    Look, firstly, do not make sweeping statements with lots of assumptions on your part about me that are incorrect.

     

    Next, iWeb 09 has been updated to work with Intel Mac's, which is why it works on Snow Leopard.  iWeb 06 will not work with Intel Mac's but only with Power Mac's...

    Incorrect...

     

    "iLife '06 requires Mac OS X version 10.3.9 or version 10.4.3 or later (Mac OS X version 10.4.4 recommended), a Macintosh® computer with a PowerPC G4, PowerPC G5, or Intel® Core™ processor..." (Source)

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-15022477-1766/128-62/SigT.gif

  • by JamesJM,

    JamesJM JamesJM Jun 17, 2011 9:58 AM in response to dgfoster
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    Jun 17, 2011 9:58 AM in response to dgfoster

    Precisely,dgfoster.  And btw, I exaggerated… I haven't 'completely' given up on Freeway.   I did last night because during the trial run of two specific tasks I could not get anywhere with Freeway while I at least got both partially figured out with RapidWeaver and SandVox. 

     

    It's one of those things where, if I keep trying Freeway, it will suddenly hit me.. "Oh, THAT's how you do it".. and then I'm off to the races.  I'll keep experimenting with Freeway if for no other reason than…. it's apparently the only one of those three that allows for Theme tweaking, even completely building your own.  - JamesJM

  • by Wyodor,

    Wyodor Wyodor Jun 17, 2011 10:13 AM in response to Ethmoid
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    Jun 17, 2011 10:13 AM in response to Ethmoid

    I'm not sure how many people want to use web sharing in this way,

    You are one :

    I was considering trying out the new Lion OS Server option to see what that is like.

     

    I never tried Snow Leopard Server, but might give Lion a try as you download it directly from the App store.  Might be a good alternative, but we'll wait and see.

     

    source

  • by Ethmoid,

    Ethmoid Ethmoid Jun 17, 2011 3:43 PM in response to JamesJM
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    Jun 17, 2011 3:43 PM in response to JamesJM

    Also try WebAcappella at http://www.webacappella.fr to see what it is like.  You can download it.

  • by cat2,

    cat2 cat2 Jul 16, 2011 12:09 PM in response to Joeswell
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    Jul 16, 2011 12:09 PM in response to Joeswell

    I also am concerned about what is going to happen to iWeb. If it's not supported, I suppose there will be no updates. Soon, iWeb will become obsolete. I understand that may take a while, but from other responses it seems alternative sites for publishing may cause portions of iWeb to be unusable. Boo, hiss!

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Jul 16, 2011 1:30 PM in response to cat2
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    Jul 16, 2011 1:30 PM in response to cat2

    If Apple doesn't plan to support iWeb then why did they release an update last week?  That seems to indicate to me it will be supported. 

  • by artistjoh,

    artistjoh artistjoh Jul 16, 2011 10:55 PM in response to Old Toad
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    Jul 16, 2011 10:55 PM in response to Old Toad

    Toad,

    The iWeb update last week was a minimal maintenance update connected to usability in Lion. Since Apple has said that Mobile me continues to be supported until 30th June next year that presumably means continuing maintenance updates  for all programs that use it including Aperture and iPhoto regarding photo galleries and iWeb.

     

    Had the update been a more significant update it might have supported your proposition. A more significant update would have addressed some or all of the issues faced by those having to migrate to third party hosting - the inability to have functional commenting from iWeb, the inability to have password protections, the inability to have a functional hit counter and so on. Those limitations of iWeb are well known to Apple as they appear in iWeb support literature from Apple. If we get an update with even one of those issues fixed then we can start to hope that iWeb has a future but as it stands the evidence suggests that iLife '11 was the last time iLife includes web site development tools. Looking at the iDVD update there is a good chance that it too will be dropped from the next version of iLife. It appears that as far as Apple is concerned the only use for video is YouTube and its kin, and Facebook and Twitter have replaced the need for web sites for individuals.

     

    Tony

     

    PS. Say hello to Mole and Ratty for me when you see them next.

  • by markfalta,

    markfalta markfalta Jul 17, 2011 6:47 AM in response to Joeswell
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    Jul 17, 2011 6:47 AM in response to Joeswell

    Since Dropbox is being touted as the replacement for iDisk, is there a way to use iWeb with Dropbox?

  • by Alancito,

    Alancito Alancito Jul 17, 2011 7:34 AM in response to markfalta
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    Jul 17, 2011 7:34 AM in response to markfalta

    markfalta wrote:

     

    Since Dropbox is being touted as the replacement for iDisk, is there a way to use iWeb with Dropbox?

    Mark ~ Let me Well, see for yourself by clicking HERE.

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-15022477-1766/128-62/SigT.gif

  • by artistjoh,

    artistjoh artistjoh Jul 17, 2011 7:54 AM in response to markfalta
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    Jul 17, 2011 7:54 AM in response to markfalta

    While it is possible to put a site on dropbox it is only practical for a personal site with low traffic and is not important to you. Dropbox terms and conditions give them the right to delete any source of large traffic activity. There is also the issue that not all iWeb features will work on non-MobileMe hosts. Unless Apple makes an update to iWeb those limitations will remain and some of them such as commenting on blog posts are important. It is true that if you like to waste a lot of time you can find and install 3rd party solutions for the things that won't work directly from iWeb, or you can move to a better alternative like RapidWeaver and pay for proper hosting.The recent update to iWeb was possibly the last we will see and there is a good chance it will not be included in the next version of iLife. It is time to think about abandoning the program entirely.

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Jul 17, 2011 8:44 AM in response to artistjoh
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    Jul 17, 2011 8:44 AM in response to artistjoh

    You might be right but being the optimist I am I'll hold on to the hope that iWeb will have a life after MMe. Being a real optimist maybe Apple will bring out a pro version of iWeb. (Now there's optimism at it's best )

  • by JamesJM,

    JamesJM JamesJM Jul 17, 2011 9:53 AM in response to Old Toad
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    Jul 17, 2011 9:53 AM in response to Old Toad

    Old Toad… I'm afraid that I'm far more skeptical…. but I admire your optimism… and like reading it… gives me a small glimmer of hope.

  • by Parrish Jones,

    Parrish Jones Parrish Jones Aug 24, 2011 7:05 AM in response to JamesJM
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    Aug 24, 2011 7:05 AM in response to JamesJM

    Well, gang I'mm just getting into this discussion because the other day I tried opening my websites in iWeb for the first time after upgrading to Lion. It proved nearly impossible. I did all suggestions to find my websites and edit them, none of which worked. I called Apple tech support. What I learned is somewhat startling. Apple has no intention continuing iWeb. So I began looking for some program that can actually open the iWeb sites and edit them. I've had no luck. One possibility does not wokr on Lion. Since it is free there is no support to it. Now I can't remember the name.

     

    I really need to update my sites but iWeb cannot find them. And no software I have found will open the pages or documents.

     

    I'm a bit dismayed at this despite having had as many have the lost websites problem before.

     

    So I think, Old Toad, while I praise you for being optimistic, it is perhaps not justified.

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