Currently Being ModeratedJun 20, 2011 10:39 AM (in response to Justan Oldfart)
Justan Oldfart wrote:
Try See Finance first at http://scimonocesoftware.com/seefinance/. Just as good as iBank and maybe better. It has a very liberal trial and no restrictions other than a 5 second delay when started.
I don't want to hijack the thread but I want to thank Justan as this actually is the first Mac software that seems promising to replace MS Money (which is a discontinued product) and the only reason I run a Windows virtual machine.
It all depends on your needs: I don't need automatic downloads, payment requests or tax forms, but advanced options to manage stock options. And yes, I evaluated, and often bought almost all of the personal finance software available for Mac OS X.
I have given up on Quicken years ago, but I can understand that there is a large user base, especially in the US. As for Quicken and Lion for those who have faith in Intuit:
P.S. And I suggest everyone reads the post above mine of a brody, except the first sentence to which I disagree. He makes a very, very essential point here.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 20, 2011 4:03 PM (in response to growler62000)
Quicken 2007 is not the only product that won't be able to run on Lion. However, it is the only product I've seen where the manufacturer tells you that if you want certain features (investment tracking, for example), don't upgrade to the newer one (Essentials), buy the older one.
I, like many others, have years of data under Quicken and not found that other programs can give me the same features and access to online systems that Q2k7 does. Therefore:
If you want to continue to use Q2k7 then your choices are going to be:
1. Build a VM with Server 10.6 (no license to allow you to do so with 10.6 client so VMWare and Parallels block you), and set it up and run it under it, or,
2. Move to Q2K7 Windows, losing your online updating setups, and run it in a Windows VM, or,
3. Install Lion in its own partition, migrate to it, but leave your 10.6 partition so that you can run products like Q2K7 or Adobe Ilustrator without worry.
If you go the separate partion method, you can have Lion point to your old home directory, and not have to move it, by going into the Users preferences when in Lion, right click on your user name, and replace the directory (which will show the one on the Lion partition) to the pathway from your 10.6 partition, close out and reboot.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2011 12:42 AM (in response to a brody)
Re NeoOffice. It is no longer free as it once was.
Not sure why one would want to use NeoOffice spreadsheet to create a financial spreadsheet from scratch when you could do that with numbers. I suppose some Mac users do not have iWork but most should. I think many do not create spreadsheets from scratch & prefer programs like quicken & iBank because many users are not skilled in creating complex spreadsheets &/or the financial programs save time.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2011 5:47 AM (in response to growler62000)
I also recommend everyone who depends on Quicken, to post feedback here:
One of the pulldown menus is "A Quicken product", which basically allows you to submit feedback regarding all Quicken products.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2011 7:14 AM (in response to growler62000)
Re NeoOffice. It is no longer free as it once was.
While not an ideal solution to the Quicken issue, NeoOffice continues to be free. Why do you feel it is no longer a free product?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2011 8:24 AM (in response to JoeyR)
The most recent version (3.2) requires a donation--I think ten dollars. You can still download an earlier version (3.1.2?) for free.
Have a nice day.Two White MacBook Core Duo 1.83 (2006) 2GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.6.7), Time Capsule 500GB 7.5.2; Two iPad 16GB iOS 4.3
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2011 9:44 AM (in response to Boyd Porter)
Ah... so it is. Seems like an odd decision to make since OpenOffice and Libre Office are still free. While NeoOffice traditionally was better suited to OS X than OpenOffice, with the last few releases OO, they have pretty much bridged that gap. I would certainly consider OO a viable alternative to NeoOffice. Although, for an office suite, $10 is pretty cheap.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2011 11:03 AM (in response to growler62000)
CNet reported that Apple noted this, and that there is a solution; Apple and Intuit are working together to keep enough of the Rosetta code in Lion that Quicken 2007 will work in Lion, at least until Quicken can release a new version. You can read the article here: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20071965-263/quicken-2007-may-run-in-os-x-l ion-sooner-or-later/?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=MacFixIt.
If you're still worried, there is another workaround. If you have a bootable backup of Snow Leopard/Leopard (by using something like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper), you can boot off of that and run the old OS and therefore still use Quicken 2007 that way.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2011 2:08 AM (in response to EasyOSX)
Good CNet article. After upgrading to Lion, to run an older (OS X 10.6 SL) version just to use Quicken would be a real pain. I already run Windows XP both in Boot Camp & as a VM occasionally just to use a couple of WIndows only programs. (Will Maker & Publisher -- for greeting cards)
I think i will initially not upgrade to Lion at least until the 1st major bug fix 10.7.1or 10.7.2. By then I will probably have switched to iBank or another Mac program.
BTW, I had stated that Neo Office was no longer free based on information from their web site not on any feelings I had. I was not making any value judgements on how much it cost & whether or not that was a fair price or worth it. The fact that they are currently letting the older version be D/L for free changes nothing. I'm sure most of us prefer to use the latest version of many programs for bug fixes & security reasons. At some point the older versions are no longer updated & probably not secure.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2011 11:48 AM (in response to growler62000)
Unfortunately all TRUE and there are, IMHO, still no good solutions. Quicken "Essentials" is a retrograde program that has many less features than Quicken 2007 and does not have electronic bill pay which I consider essential. IBank 4 similarly does not have bill pay. You have three solutions: set up partition, install Windows and Quicken for Windows; set up partition for both Snow Leopard (for Q 2007) and Lion (for everything else; stick with Snow Leopard until this dilemma is solved. I shall do the latter.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2011 6:49 PM (in response to growler62000)
There is another program that has not been mentioned in this thread. The program is call Money Dance. The developers claim it will work with Lion. The big plus to this program, is that it has built-in bill pay. Also all of your Quicken data can be moved over. Just looking over Money Dance, the only thing I see missing, currently, there is no way to transfer money online between your accounts. A feature I use often in Quicken for Mac 2007. Also, the interface is not as nice as Quicken. When I discovered that Quicken for Mac would not work with Lion, I started looking for possible replacements. It's interesting to note the QFM seems to be the only product out there that does just about everything. It's a shame the Intuit will not offer any software for the Mac Lion platform that is not a step backwards.