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  • Patrick Sheffield Level 7 Level 7 (29,175 points)
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    Jun 21, 2011 2:13 PM (in response to GeoffDills)

    GeoffDills wrote:

     


    iMovie isn't a feature at all (for the pro  market).

     

    Actually it might be real handy for a large shop needing lots of places for assistants to do the keywording to get media organized and ready to be cut.  I imagine a mac mini with a thunderbolt connection to storage using iMovie to ingest and organize.

     

    Last time I checked iMovie did not use ProRes... how could you use it for ingest?

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    Jun 21, 2011 2:17 PM (in response to Andy Neil)

    Oh man, oh man, I am sure that a positive view it's always good, But no xml, no compatibility, no multi-cam (multi-clips), all the plugins, boris, fxfactory and so on. No output to tape, have you tried to keyframe a picture in Imovie? it's a ****!!! Oh man, Oh man, it's really BAD, BAD, BAD - There you go IMOVIE X PRO, or IMOVIE PRO Xtinction. DISAPOITMENT I would never expect it from APPLE!!!! SHAME ON YOU, APPLE PIE !!!!!!

  • Andy Neil Level 4 Level 4 (3,785 points)
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    Jun 21, 2011 3:01 PM (in response to nato4motion)

    Your troll-like outrage is funny.  And your spelling truly disapoit me as well.

     

    Andy

  • kaidomac Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:24 PM (in response to Patrick Sheffield)

    GeoffDills wrote:

     


    iMovie isn't a feature at all (for the pro  market).

     

    Actually it might be real handy for a large shop needing lots of places for assistants to do the keywording to get media organized and ready to be cut.  I imagine a mac mini with a thunderbolt connection to storage using iMovie to ingest and organize.

     

    To go with your Xserves running Final Cut Server for cross-network communication & coordination?

     

    Oh wait...

  • ahojka Calculating status...
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:25 PM (in response to hvxuser)

    I've been playing with FCX on my iMac i5 and had to Force Quit a few times as the Title Tool froze the app... Anybody knows what's going on?

  • kaidomac Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:37 PM (in response to hvxuser)

    I'm more than a little taken aback by this release.

     

    To me this seems akin to Apple releasing a Macbook Air with an Atom chip...new chip, less power, more battery life...but the last chip was a more powerful processor and they took a huge step down in performance.  Obviously this is a knee-jerk reaction, but how do you release a product that so thoroughly cuts off such a huge portion of the existing user base?  Camera equipment isn't cheap and there's a lot of legacy tape-based systems in the market, especially for second-hand and indie users.

     

    I'm hoping that Apple does indeed take the approach that FCP-X is a development platform and not just a software package (python scripting integration, custom plug-ins, etc.).  That would be more of a game-changer for round-tripping and third-party software/hardware integration, and especially for studios with programming expertise that can build a Final Cut Pro-centric pipeline.  It'd be great to tie in FCP with Nuke, daVinci, Smoke, and so on in a better manner then we do now.  I especially like the new organizational features in the new FCP-X (at least there's one thing I like!).

     

    I've read rumors that vSphere 5 will support OSX Server, which would be epic for CPU/GPU render farms for Compressor, Motion, daVinci, Maya, and so on.  Supermicro has a very nice server out now that supports eight of the new 10-core Xeons, for a total of 160-cores with Hyperthreading & 2TB RAM.  Combined with a Thunderbolt-equipped SAN type of setup, that'd be a pretty sweet deal for network management.

     

    I like the price.  The new approach looks interesting.  The interface looks pretty (not that that matters in a professional application, but it does feel nicer to work within!).  I really like the new organizational tools, although learning the new terminology is going to take some getting used to. It just seems like a lot of core functionality is missing from this initial release, which as someone else said, is extremely interesting/frustrating for a first-release revamped product from a company with a $200+ billion-dollar market cap.  Too much iOS, not enough "Pro" is what it feels like to me.

     

    I'm going to hold further comments until I learn more, as I do think a lot of this is knee-jerk reaction as we don't know the full story yet.  But for a starting pitch...ouch, Apple.  And hey, where's my 5K support?

  • kaidomac Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:39 PM (in response to ahojka)

    ahojka wrote:

     

    I've been playing with FCX on my iMac i5 and had to Force Quit a few times as the Title Tool froze the app... Anybody knows what's going on?

     

    Apple recommends 10.6.8 for Final Cut Pro X: (currently unreleased, give it a month)

     

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/06/21/apple_recommends_yet_unreleased_os _x_10_6_8_for_final_cut_pro_x_users.html

  • akaplafi Calculating status...
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:48 PM (in response to hvxuser)

    of all including my of disturbances, I draw the conclusion that of fcpx they made for the housewives and the low editors. you left in yourselves after forgetting entire structure of television and film production. correct all shortages and return the deserved respect

  • jugney1 Calculating status...
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    Jun 21, 2011 7:18 PM (in response to akaplafi)

    Where has all the reason gone? (Maybe my problem is I assumed it was there in the first place...)

     

    This is a 1.0 release. They completely re-wrote the program so that they could start fresh with a new paradigm. FCP 7 - as functional and capable as it was - was outdated. It needed some new life. Which means it could take time to get things back on line. No one was going to be doing actual work for clients on it very soon anyway...right?

     

    How long did it take the original FCP to be professionally usable? Just because the feature isn't there now, doesn't mean it never will be. Apple tends to like to do things the way they think is the best, even if that means it takes longer (just think about multi-tasking on the iPhone).

     

    The following is from MacRumors.com:

     

    "CreativeCow offers their first look and points out that Final Cut Pro X is not an upgrade to Final Cut Pro 7, but is a brand new app. They start by stating that FCP X is "not yet" for the professional editor and claims Apple knows this and updates are to be coming quickly:

    Apple has been very specific, that this is not the final state of FCP X. Features are expected to be added quickly, via the App Store, with some of them waiting to show up natively in OS X Lion and with support for Thunderbolt.

    Philip Hodgetts provides an extensive blog post in question and answer form about what is and isn't included in Final Cut Pro X. He specifically reveals upcoming features that Apple has told him are coming. These include:


    • "Multicam will come in a future release, when Apple decide[s] how best to implement it within the new application and architecture."

    • "As of Version 1 and today’s release there is no direct import capability for [Final Cut Pro 6/7] projects. My understanding is that there will be an Apple-provided utility for importing XML from older projects to Final Cut Pro X."

    • "the Apple folk made it abundantly clear that the ecosystem was very important to them, and that there will be a new, and much improved, replacement for the current XML workflow."


    Larry Jordan who has been frequently quoted for his early comments about the Final Cut Pro X also weighs in. Jordan points out several of the improvements and disadvantages of the new system. He also points out that Apple is planning a quicker upgrade cycle for Final Cut Pro than they have in the past now that its in the App Store:

    In the past, Apple used a 18 month, or so, cycle between updates. Now, Apple is telling me they are hoping to do an update once or twice a year.

    Ultimately, despite the limitations, he expects that within the next 18 months practically all Final Cut customers will be running Final Cut Pro X due to the overall improvements."

  • jugney1 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Jun 21, 2011 7:21 PM (in response to jugney1)

    Ranting aside...does anyone know if Compressor 4 can still encode in the formats for use in DVD Studio Pro? The presets that were called DVD 90 minutes Best Quality, etc.

  • David M Brewer Level 6 Level 6 (9,180 points)
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    Jun 21, 2011 8:32 PM (in response to jugney1)

    FCS 3 and the upgrade are no longer in the online store. Gone forever, I guess.

     

     

     

    iMac 27", 3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, 16GB 1333MHz DDR3, 2TB HD + 256GB SSD, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5FCS 3OS X 10.6.7iPad 1&2Apple Tv 2

  • fredfx Calculating status...
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    Jun 21, 2011 8:43 PM (in response to hvxuser)

    I think what Apple is doing is charging their users to do their R&D.

    I think it would have been better for them to do what they did with the first version of OSX. Give it away for a limited time. Let people hammer on it suggest changes and then charge for a version 1 release.

     

    I think they're hurting themselves by releasing and CHARGING for a product that's clearly NOT ready for the use base that it's intended for.

     

    I was ready to buy today, but after reading your article......I think not.

     

    Just my .02

     

    Fred Raimondi

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    Jun 21, 2011 9:37 PM (in response to Shane Ross)

    Shane Ross wrote:

     

    . . . but iMovie does not support tape/tapeless timecode.  It doesn't read or capture the timecode present on the recording media.  It tosses it...disregards it.

     

    Consider using a program called DV Analyzer to see whether this is true.  I still use iMovie 6.0.4 on occassion, believe it or not.  Lots of DV data that neither iMovie or Final Cut uses remains in the data stream.

     

    http://www.avpreserve.com/dvanalyzer/what-does-it-analyze/

     

    In fact, I think Final Cut duplicates the timecode when it puts it into the Quicktime wrapper!

  • Patrick Sheffield Level 7 Level 7 (29,175 points)
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    Jun 22, 2011 12:55 AM (in response to jugney1)

    jugney1 wrote:

     

    Where has all the reason gone? (Maybe my problem is I assumed it was there in the first place...)

     

    This is a 1.0 release. They completely re-wrote the program so that they could start fresh with a new paradigm. FCP 7 - as functional and capable as it was - was outdated. It needed some new life. Which means it could take time to get things back on line. No one was going to be doing actual work for clients on it very soon anyway...right?

     

    How long did it take the original FCP to be professionally usable? Just because the feature isn't there now, doesn't mean it never will be. Apple tends to like to do things the way they think is the best, even if that means it takes longer (just think about multi-tasking on the iPhone).

    ...snip...

     

    This reasoning is fine if you could still purchase FCS3 while they develop FCX, but Apple pulled all copies of it from their stores.

     

    That, to me, is a slap. Use what we want you to use or leave. Sure, I have FCP7, but if I wanted to add another station, I can't - not unless I find a copy on eBay.

     

    Apple has always been so smart about transitions in the past - 68000 to PPC, OS9 to OSX, PPC to Intel. When they moved to iMovie 8, they gave you a free download of iMovie 6 to help smooth the changeover.

     

    This just feels so poorly thought out...

  • ahojka Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jun 22, 2011 12:58 AM (in response to hvxuser)

    I haven't found what I'm used to from FCP:

    * autosave vault - FCX obviously saves constantly but doesn't keep previous autosaves

    * custom layout - I always had to set it after a several force quit app

    * sequence setting - even I can work with a different types of material (iPhone files and Alexa ProRes4444) in a sequence w/o rendering

    * sequence - I really can't find where it is and how it's called (even it is on timeline), same with making new sequence

    After working in FinalCut since 2001 have to go through tutorials...

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