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GARTH Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
I've noticed from time-to-time that my rating stars seem to be hollow and no longer solid. What does this happen?

Toshiba Satellite A665 4GBs DDR3, Windows 7, iTunes: V11.0 Apple iPod (iPod Classic 160 GB) FreeAgent Ext HDD.
  • 1. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    paulsalter Level 2 Level 2 (465 points)
    Dont know if there are other reasons also

    If I rate an Album, this will apply that rating to all unrated tracks in the album and they will be a hollow star, rate the individual tracks and it will be the normal stars
  • 2. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    GARTH Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
    I do not rate my albums as "ONE" rating. I rate on individual basis per song in iTunes. And while I have done so, they occasionally change to hollowed (Non-Solid) star ratings.
  • 3. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    joh813 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I don't know why this happens either but the best thing to do if you listen to music from the top rated smart play list is to edit the play lists' criteria so that it only selects the items that are actually rated by you (solid stars). I am using a PC so I had to right click to reveal edit options. Once you have done this you will need to remove ghost rated songs one at time; tedious yes but it is way better than being annoyed by a really bad feature. Hope this helps
  • 4. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    thy_avatar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    This is an iTunes flaw. When the 'feature' of suggested album ratings was implemented, there was the same problem-the ghost/hollow stars were looked at by iTunes and smart playlists as regular user selected rating stars. This now makes any smart playlist based on track rating completely useless, AGAIN.
    The ghost/hollow stars +do not+ go away when you click to the left of them, it just rates the track as one solid star.
    The ghost/hollow stars +do not+ go away when you right click and select 'None' as a rating.
    Until Apple decides to fix this flaw we are out of luck on having working smart playlists based on actual/real track ratings.
  • 5. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    zit Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    View as Grid

    Doubleclick offending album (or Podcast)

    Click to left of row of stars

  • 6. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    JamesG01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Excellent! that worked for me

  • 7. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    Jotamide Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That fixed it! This should be at the top!

  • 8. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    User5910 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    If I unrate an album (podcast in this case) in grid view using iTunes 10.6.0.40 for Windows all of my ratings for individual episodes of the podcast are also wiped out.

     

    I'm frustrated that Smart Playlists cannot differentiate between this implied rating and my explicit ratings. It breaks my use of Smart Playlists.

  • 9. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    RoyalsMan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This has been answered multiple times.  ...but to reiterate the use of the ghost/hollow stars on iTunes.  This is an "Album rating" not track rating. 

     

    This allows you to rate the entire album for speed and then individual tracks as you prefer them.

     

    As others posted it does impact creating Smart Playlists.  ...but not negatively.  A smart person creating a Smart Playlist would understand this is yet another way you can restrict or add items efficiently.  There is a drop down where you can use "Album Rating" and you can state to include or exclude album ratings and more. 

     

    So, while frustrating due to lack of understanding it is a powerful tool that is NOT a flaw.  ...but a misunderstood database management tool given to us by the folks at Apple. 


    Understand this feature and enjoy it folks!  Good luck!

  • 10. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    User5910 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    RoyalsMan: Please tell all the people who are not smart enough to understand that these phantom ratings only improve our Smart Playlists how to assemble a list of tracks that we have played but not explicitly rated.

  • 11. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    RoyalsMan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Let's work through this fun little "challenge" together.  Your example is weak so let's come up with a good one. 

     

    Your request said "Assemple a list of tracks that we have played but not explicitly rated." 

     

    Based on that simple example here is a Smart Playlist

    Plays is greater than 0

    Any of the following are true (accomplish this nested "any" feature by pressing "Alt/Option" changing the + to ...)

         Album Rating is not *

         Album Rating is not **

         Album Rating is not ***

         Album Rating is not ****

         Album Rating is not ****

     

    This playlist will play all tracks which have a "Play count" at least 1 or more times; but it will EXCLUDE any and all albums which have an "Album Rating" of any * count. 

     

    So User5910; what do you have next?

  • 12. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    RoyalsMan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The logic above assumes that if you want a rating for an album it should be there.  The idea behind this whole thread was why are ghost ratings (album rating) there, what do they do, and how can you (if you choose) remove them. 

     

    User5910, it would make sense to me that you want to remove the Album Rating and not leave it; as it is causing you more problems.  You wrote the following.

     

    If I unrate an album (podcast in this case) in grid view using iTunes 10.6.0.40 for Windows all of my ratings for individual episodes of the podcast are also wiped out.

     

    I'm frustrated that Smart Playlists cannot differentiate between this implied rating and my explicit ratings. It breaks my use of Smart Playlists.

     

    You are trying to keep or remove those Album ratings and it clears individual track ratings?  I was successful in keeping my individual track ratings and adjusting "Album Ratings" with no impact to my individual tracks.  I just tested it right now. I would be happy to try and help you one off, if you would like.  I'll keep checking this to see if you want/need assistance.  ...but my point stands that the use of these ratings have merit and value in Smart Playlists.  You are having problems clearing them, as they are impacting other songs. ...not using them. 

     

    My post was that this is not a FLAW this is a tool that needs to be understood.  My apologies publically if you or anyone else was offended.  I did use sarcasm which was poorly written.

  • 13. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    User5910 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    RoyalsMan, thank your for a constructive response.

     

    In your 4/17 example you write that tracks should be included if "any" of the album ratings are non-zero stars but this matches everything played in iTunes when I try it. Say the album rating is 2 stars, the first "any" criteria finds that it is not 1 star and matches, not needing to test any of the other criteria in the "any" group. Did you mean to write "all"? That would exclude all tracks in rated albums, including those tracks I have not rated.

     

    Albums receive hollow-star ratings as soon as any track is rated (assuming you have not explicly rated the album); you can see this happen in Album List view. Individual tracks on albums may or may not show the hollow-star rating of the album--this appears to happen after you rate multiple tracks over time.

     

    In any case here's my  more detailed workflow: I listen to a lot of podcasts  on my iPod and I rate and keep some of them. Sometimes I rate a podcast when I'm out and about to remind me to take action later then skip to the next one. In this case the podcast still has a playcount of 0 (because I didn't finish it) and an explicit rating. When I get home and sync I want that track removed from my iPod. I had a smart playlist of podcasts I hadn't listened to or rated (criteria: plays=0 and rating=no stars). Until iTunes auto-rated my podcasts this worked great. After it assigned hollow stars to individual tracks, the podcasts I rated most disappeared from this list.

  • 14. Re: iTunes Rating Stars Not Solid.
    RoyalsMan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    User5910 I will try to answer all of your questions throughout so please read through. 

     

    You misread that example.  The example of "Any" doesn't reflect any track, movie, podcast etc that is a "Nested formula" in a Smart Playlist.  You have the ability to tell the play list that "any" or "all" of the criteria must be met using this.  The use of this (and the subsequent Album Art ratings which are indented) reflect what you should see.

     

    Before pressing the "Plus" button to add a new rule press the Alt/Option key.  This changes the "+" to ellipses "..." and by selecting this you enter into the "Nested Formula" option where a string of rules can be created which act differently.

     

    In the example above I told the Smart Playlist to look for any "true" instance for any "Album Rating" that IS NOT * - 5*.  It sounds reverse logic but I was telling the playlist I want to return values for any album that is rated. 

     

    In another way to read it; "Return any item that does not have a 1 * rating, 2 * rating, etc."  Meaning that only 0 * ratings would be returned.  The nested formula had to be used stating "Any" vs. "All" because no track will have all 5 ratings (meaning *, **, ***, ****, *****) at one time.  So I am saying that if any of the conditions are met then it is a true statement.  No one track would have all of the conditions met.  The use and understanding of any vs. all is key in this type of filtering.  An example is an track can be "any" one of the genres blues, rock, metal, classical but it wouldn't be labeled as "all" of them.  Understand?  (of course someone could try and build a stupid genre like blues/rock/metal/... but that isn't the point of a single field for that track.)

     

    As for the album rating when you do one track's rating.  That is true that the ratings appear.  ...but it doesn't impact my Smart Playlists unless I specifically rate the whole album.  ...I am unsure why it is for you?  I just tested an album with no ratings.  I added a rating and did a very simple playlist looking for that any track by that artist with greater than 1*.  ...I am a little cloudy on why that is happening to you.  I CAN confirm that if I explicitly rate an album (even without any specific tracks rated) the whole album appears in my playlist. 

     

    It appears iTunes handles an explicit "Album Rating" differently than the implied rating that occurs when a single track is rated.   Try unranking your individual tracks and then also undoing any "album rating."  ...this is a test unlikely to resolve it.

     

    ...but the real solution for you seems to be creating a playlist the features "Plays" (greater than or less 0) or even a playlist that focuses on "Skips".  There are many options to do this without messing with ratings.  It appears you are trying to use ratings in a way that it isn't designed for to some degree.  I used to use them similarly but now I expanded the categories I use in Smart Playlist creation.  It has really helped. 

     

    In your workflow your "Play" would be 0, but your "Skip" should register as 1.  Skip is a key metric you can filter by.

     

    I admit I didn't understand the portion of when, why, and how you determine which podcast to remove.  You rate items that you want to remove?  Sorry on that last part I am confused.

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