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Q: Airprint with Enterprise wifi

We have several iPad 2's (IOS 4.3.3) that many executives have and would like to print from them.  We purchased an HP Envy 100 (on Apple's AirPrint approved printer list) in order for them to print.

 

We created a separate wireless network for these iPad's and the printer.  I have successfully connected the iPad's to this new wireless network, have successfully connected the HP Envy printer to the new wireless network and successfully connected my laptop to this network.

 

When using my laptop, I can ping all of the iPad's as well as the printer so they are all connected to the proper wireless network and the communication to the devices is good. 

 

Here is the problem....when I open a .pdf on one of hte iPad 2's and try to print the .pdf, the printer cannot be found by the iPad.  However, with my laptop I am able to successfully send a print job to that printer.

 

Does anyone have any idea why the iPad's cannot even see the HP Envy printer?  I have upgraded the firmware on the printer to the latest version and I am still having issues with the iPad even seeing the printer.

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

Posted on Jul 7, 2011 9:09 AM

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  • by gyrhead,

    gyrhead gyrhead Jul 7, 2011 10:17 AM in response to wildkatsss
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    Jul 7, 2011 10:17 AM in response to wildkatsss

    Have you tried printing from another app?  Try printing an email or something else from another AirPrint compatible app.  If that doesn't work I would recommend an HP 1525nw AirPrint enabled color laser ( about $250).   In the long run, its TCO will be much lower. 

  • by wildkatsss,

    wildkatsss wildkatsss Jul 7, 2011 10:49 AM in response to gyrhead
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    Jul 7, 2011 10:49 AM in response to gyrhead

    Thanks for the response.

     

    I have tried to print from Safari, e-mail and photo gallery withthe same results.

     

    While I agree in principle with purhcasing another printer that might work, we purhcased this printer exclusively since it was on Apple's approved AirPrint list and I feel that this must work.

  • by gyrhead,

    gyrhead gyrhead Jul 7, 2011 11:23 AM in response to wildkatsss
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    Jul 7, 2011 11:23 AM in response to wildkatsss

    The Envy has good reviews...reinstall the firmware...try again....open a call with HP support if needed.  The 1525nw's have worked like charm here after the firmware was updated.

  • by wildkatsss,

    wildkatsss wildkatsss Jul 7, 2011 11:39 AM in response to gyrhead
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    Jul 7, 2011 11:39 AM in response to gyrhead

    Sounds good.

     

    I have re-installed the firmware 2 times, powered down the printer and iPad...brought both back up...the iPad still can't see the printer.

  • by wildkatsss,

    wildkatsss wildkatsss Jul 7, 2011 12:33 PM in response to gyrhead
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    Jul 7, 2011 12:33 PM in response to gyrhead

    FYI to any others running into this issue.

     

    I found the information below on HP's website:

     

    Follow these steps to make sure that your router can forward Bonjour packets, and then turn the Apple device off and on.

    Step one: Make sure that your router can forward Bonjour packets

     

     

    Bonjour packets allow devices to automatically find each other by utilizing multicast Domain Name System (mDNS) service records. If your router forwards Bonjour packets, you do not have to enter an IP address to search for a device.

     

    The Bonjour service communicates across UDP port 5353.

     

    I have asked my network deptartment to make sure we are not blocking port 5353.  I will follow up once they have a chance to check out our network.

  • by Bonesaw1962,

    Bonesaw1962 Bonesaw1962 Jul 7, 2011 12:51 PM in response to wildkatsss
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    Jul 7, 2011 12:51 PM in response to wildkatsss

    We also had this experience a while back...we had to check the Access Point and the "controller" that manages the access points....the good news was that once our WAN team had it set up right, it was immediately visible..no questions asked.  We used an HP 1525CW and once the issues in the infrastructure were cleared up, it worked great...one thing to consider, as I recall the Bonjour packet is mDNS and non-routable so it can't broadcast across a wide area network so the printer is only visible to users within the scope of the access point or "controller" ...also consider giving the printer a logical name that will distinguish it from other Bonjour enabled printers in the area..this way the users will be clear on which one to connect to. 

  • by wildkatsss,

    wildkatsss wildkatsss Jul 8, 2011 5:34 AM in response to Bonesaw1962
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    Jul 8, 2011 5:34 AM in response to Bonesaw1962

    Bonesaw...Thank you for this response.  I'll forward this to the networking team.

     

    Much appreciated!!!

  • by wildkatsss,

    wildkatsss wildkatsss Jul 8, 2011 11:05 AM in response to wildkatsss
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    Jul 8, 2011 11:05 AM in response to wildkatsss

    Just as follow up....I am now 100% sure either the controller or router interface is blocking the Bonjour packets.  I was able to set up an ad-hoc network beween the Envy 100 and the iPad and printed with no issues.  The iPad immediately saw the printer.  I also borrowed a stand-alone AP, configured a unique ssid, connected both the Envy and iPad and printed with no issues.

     

    I met with my Senior WLAN engineer and he is looking into it.

     

    Hopefully more to come......

  • by Bonesaw1962,

    Bonesaw1962 Bonesaw1962 Jul 8, 2011 11:39 AM in response to wildkatsss
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    Jul 8, 2011 11:39 AM in response to wildkatsss

    Yes.  It's pretty cool when it shows right up .  This is the same exact set of experiences that we had. Once the infrastructure people make the necessary changes it will work great. In our environment, a "controller" which existed logically someplace managed multiple access points.  Once they made the necessary change on the "controller" the printer was visible at all of the access points managed by that "controller".  We got it to work, for testing,  in the scope of 1 "controller" that managed three access points in 1 floor of our IT building.  The printer was  visible to iPad wi-fi clients connecting to those access points. As I recall the clients also had to be on the same wi-fi network (same ssid) as the printer, and perhaps in the same IP subnet. The printer connected to one of the 3 access points, and the iPad devices could immediately see the printer while connecting to any of the 3 access points managed by the same "controller".

  • by Deanoeac,

    Deanoeac Deanoeac Mar 1, 2013 10:19 AM in response to wildkatsss
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    Mar 1, 2013 10:19 AM in response to wildkatsss

    AirPrint will only work on a single wireless access point. AirPrint network capability is limited and cannot talk accross multiple wireless access points and makes it not very user friendly in a business environment.

     

    We had to install multiple access points in our office and had great difficulty setting this up. To resolve the issue we had to set the second access point up in repeater mode and disconnect the LAN connection. This now works fine.

     

    However setting the wireless network up like this significantly downgrades your wireless throughput and erased our investment in a wifi upgrade.

     

    Network compatibility is something Apple need to work on. This maybe purposely restricted for Apple software security issues. Maybe Apple will post the reasons why?

  • by Deanoeac,

    Deanoeac Deanoeac Mar 1, 2013 10:30 AM in response to wildkatsss
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    Mar 1, 2013 10:30 AM in response to wildkatsss

    How do I set one of my access points as a controller?

  • by iToaster,

    iToaster iToaster Mar 1, 2013 7:47 PM in response to wildkatsss
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    Mar 1, 2013 7:47 PM in response to wildkatsss

    If you has ios devices and don't want to purchase airprint capable printers

    if you have a spare pc all you need do is install lunix and CUPS

    the latest versions of CUPS suport airpint out of the box

    add your printer to the linux box

     

    You can run CUPS on a raspberry pi , a small low power $25.00 computer

     

    If you have osx server you can also edit a few lines in CUPS to enable AirPrint

     

    There is also software for windows and mac that will enable AirPrint for none AirPrint printers

    The machine running the software would have to be on 24/7

  • by iToaster,

    iToaster iToaster Mar 1, 2013 8:06 PM in response to Deanoeac
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    Mar 1, 2013 8:06 PM in response to Deanoeac

    that's not true in my case

    I have multiple managed AP's

    However I'm not using an AirPrint printer I have used CUPS and 3rd party software to enable AirPrint for none AirPrint network printers

     

    Perhaps your problem may be subneting or vlan issues or perhaps your setup is not allowing Bonjour mDNS

  • by Deanoeac,

    Deanoeac Deanoeac Mar 2, 2013 9:29 AM in response to iToaster
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    Mar 2, 2013 9:29 AM in response to iToaster

    Hi and thank you for your reply. Think our IT guy has enabled bonjour as installed on all our PC's. think this is needed for Filemaker. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

     

    I initially set up 2 wifi access points in our office due to lack of signal in our meeting room. All seamed to work ok for network and web access problem free on all devices including iPhones and pads. It was only when my director set up an air printer that problems started. He could print to when connected to same wifi AP but could not when connected to AP2. You can access the printer setup via IP from all locations.

     

    I am sure our wifi is not managed or externally controlled and not sure how to do this on a limited budget and do not really want to purchase additional hardware. However can this be managed by our MS Small business server 2012?  This would be a good solution with minimal expense.

     

    Also your other solution may be useful (cups & software). We have a windows XP pro PC operating as a print server for our HP cad plotter and always on. Maybe this can also serve our air printer.

     

    At home I have a brother network hard wired printer (1650/1670n) that I would also like to print to occasionally from iPad. Is this possible without leaving additional hardware running? Only one Wifi AP. All laptops can connect to this via IP. Is there not a driver or app that can allow basic IP printing on the iPad?

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