Currently Being ModeratedJul 21, 2011 6:46 AM (in response to mightymilk)
I am running Safari (4 tabs open), Mail, iTunes, Activity Monitor, and terminal. Out of my 4 GB of ram currently 2.16GB free. I have only been powered up for 30 mins though.
Just because LION is using up all 4GB of ram, it is not necessarily a bad thing. OS X uses the RAM for its many processes. With just 5 apps open, I have 101 processes active at this moment. Most of those processes are running all the time
You are going to have problems if all the RAM is active and processes and apps have to page in and out from RAM.
Are you experiencing slow response from apps?
From my experience Logic, Final Cut, or Aperture are apps that do use a lot of system resources, RAM and CPU and depending on how heavely you use them you may need 8GB of RAM. I only have 4GB of RAM and when I have a lot of work to do in Aperture I will shut down Mail and Safari. Especially Safari which does use lots of RAM.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 21, 2011 7:08 AM (in response to bobwild)
I understand there are pbackground tasks going on, beyond the standard GUI applications. But to answer your question, I'm getting system hangs that last anywhere form a few seconds to many seconds. I believe it's because the computer is PFing like crazy, because OS X is using every available resource to run Mail/Safari/iTunes.
I wouldn't consider Logic, Final Cut, or Aperture light on system resources though. As an example, Recording/Playing about 6-8 tracks in Logic with multiple plugins can easily grab 1GB of RAM. Final Cut when rendering can also grab 1GB of RAM. This wouldn't be a problem if OS X wasn't taking all my resources.
As an additional note, Safari seems to be the main culprit. There's a process linked to Safari called "Safari Web Content" that was easily using 950MB of RAM... with 3 tabs open. I can't tell if it's a memory leak or what. It won't release RAM by closing tabs, you have to completely quit the application.
In any case I appreciate the response!
Currently Being ModeratedJul 21, 2011 7:04 AM (in response to mightymilk)
My Safari Web Content was using 333MB of ram when I hit reply here, and now its at 316MB. Sorry I don't know what it does.
One question, after your Lion install has your Spotlight indexing completed? it will make your mac significantly slow until it completes.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 21, 2011 12:14 PM (in response to Christopher Boerger)
I guess I jumped the gun a little, Safari does seem hogging the majority of memory when my system gets low. Evertying else Mail, iTunes, iChat, App Store, FaceTime are all 200MB or less.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 21, 2011 12:49 PM (in response to mightymilk)
I was having this problem as well, so I decided to try John Gruber's advice. I uninstalled Flash and set up Chrome as a back-up for the Flash pages I HAVE to access. The memory that Safari is using has now dropped dramatically, and everything is much more responsive and quick. Here's a link to John's method at doing this, if you're interested.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 22, 2011 10:33 AM (in response to mightymilk)
This is a major problem. I updated to the latest version of Flash and that didn't help.
Flash in Chrome seems fine and the memory usage is completely acceptable. What a bummer as I really like the new Safari.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 22, 2011 11:15 AM (in response to SingingFriar)
I'm not entirely convinced this is the Flash problem. Flash Player has it's own process in Activity Monitor and it's usage is only about 120MB... Safari Wes Content on the other hand is using well over 1GB. I know there's been a lot of problems with Flash on OS X, but this one looks like Apple's fault not Adobe.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 22, 2011 11:20 AM (in response to mightymilk)
I shall say that i was finding that what before use 4gb was open aperture and may WOW or Warhammer online but now just mail safari and 4gb use.. May is that apple is using more ram to use less processor or may is how lion works or i dunno but i was thinking upgrade ram and now i am sure and from apple i think ..
Oh 2011 imac with 2x2gb and two free slots..So 4gb and true with lion the ram always in almost all in use and no much free....
I don't have flash installed..
Also can be because all the apps are displayed in launchpad and may we running full apps and using other desktop i dunno exactly why but i think lion like ram and a lot ...
Currently Being ModeratedJul 22, 2011 11:23 AM (in response to mightymilk)
Just to update my last post. Deleting Flash has helped my browsing experience quite a bit, but the memory use problem has returned.... I'm not entirely sure what's going on at this point.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 22, 2011 11:39 AM (in response to BroSter)
I know as a Mac user, our first instinct is to blame Flash for browser problems but... if you look in Activity Monitor, you'll see Flash has it's own process and is not what's hogging all the memory. The process using all the RAM is actually "Safari Web Content", which seems to be a component of Safari itself.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 22, 2011 11:59 AM (in response to mightymilk)
Go into Activity Monitor and check "Page Outs". If the value is zero, then you have never had any RAM shortage since the last power-on.
If it's not zero, then you have had RAM shortages. Ignore the colored pie. It's just a point in time RAM status, and tells you nothing about either the past or the peaks of demand.
Can someone explain what Apple is doing here?
Yes, I can explain what Apple is doing here.
RAM is a very cheap resource, so modern software uses it to save consumption of other resources. RAM can be, and is, used to avoid I/Os. Avoiding I/Os saves CPU cycles and makes the system quicker for you.
For the last 40+ years, the golden rule of computer configuration has been "don't skimp on memory"!
I know you don't like this answer, but if you are getting a lot of Page Outs, then buy more RAM. In my experience, my MBP did not perform acceptably until I upgraded it to 8GBs. But with Aperture, it was still sluggish, so I now have an iMac with 12GBs of RAM, plus SSD and fastest CPU. Aperture is a professional application designed to scale, and use resources well.
So why does Apple still sell 2 and 4 GB Macs? To get the sticker price down and meet the needs of less demanding uses. Users who do one simple thing at a time and don't use professional apps.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 22, 2011 12:20 PM (in response to John Kitchen)
We're talking about Safari using anywhere from 1GB-3GB of RAM. These are not Pro applications nor are they intended to have heavy system requirements. You took my bilp about Aperture, Logic and Final Cut and took it completely out of context.
With all due respect, I don't think you understand that Safari in it's current state will drain all available RAM over time whether you have 8, 12, or 24GB. If you need me to explain the situation in more detail, let me know.
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