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Q: Logic Pro 8 is not supported under Lion?

Is there a reason why Logic Pro 8 is NOT supported by  Lion. I have been holding off buying Logic 9  for the next Logic release and now I am a little dead in the water. Is my only real option to go back to Snow Leopard? I still don't understand how Logic 8 and Intel native app could fall over.

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Jul 20, 2011 7:11 AM

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  • by Mike Connelly,

    Mike Connelly Mike Connelly Jul 21, 2011 8:15 AM in response to MarkF7862
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    Jul 21, 2011 8:15 AM in response to MarkF7862

    MarkF7862 wrote:

     

    I wouldn't even call Lion a new OS...

     

    http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/1

     

    Check it out, it's a huge update with tons of changes.

     

    MarkF7862 wrote:

    ...they now require us to upgrade Logic Pro, Final Cut, iLife, iWork...

     

    The previous version of the final cut suite (and even FCS2) reportedly works fine.  Latest iLife plus some earlier versions as well.  iWork they just released free updates specifically to enable new Lion features.  Looks like Logic is the only one on that list that needs the latest version and that version came out two years ago.

  • by JimmyBlind,

    JimmyBlind JimmyBlind Jul 21, 2011 8:33 AM in response to Mike Connelly
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    Jul 21, 2011 8:33 AM in response to Mike Connelly

    A simple & glaringly obvious list of unsupported Apple software at the front end would have sufficed. Of course, this would have deterred me from buying the upgrade & wouldn't have been the best sales pitch in their 'store'.   Countless thousands of people will be victims of the same problem & wonder why their really expensive pieces of software that they only bought two years ago have stopped working with zero warning.

     

    Apple do care about their products & they care about their buisness.  They don't care much for their customer though & i'm slowly but surely recognising their brand for what it really is. They're great to you if you have the money to keep up with them. If you don't, you'll get unsympathetically left behind.

  • by Mike Connelly,

    Mike Connelly Mike Connelly Jul 21, 2011 8:49 AM in response to JimmyBlind
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    Jul 21, 2011 8:49 AM in response to JimmyBlind

    Are any of the latest versions of currently offered Apple software not supported?

     

    Assuming that's not the case, the list is pretty simple and obvious - latest versions are supported, any earlier versions may work but aren't supported.  True, apple should spell that out somewhere.

     

    I don't agree about how widespread the problem may be - it seems like people who are happy with four year old software generally aren't likely to be the ones who need to have a new OS on the day its released (not to mention that many of them may have hardware that doesn't support 10.7).

  • by JimmyBlind,

    JimmyBlind JimmyBlind Jul 21, 2011 9:05 AM in response to Mike Connelly
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    Jul 21, 2011 9:05 AM in response to Mike Connelly

    Oh well.  Perhaps I'll know better than to buy into Apple & Steve Job's charismatic advertising in the future. I just hope other Logic 8 users benefit from reading this thread before wasting their time & money as I have. 

     

    Thanks

     

    J

  • by Marc_Duchesne,

    Marc_Duchesne Marc_Duchesne Jul 21, 2011 9:39 AM in response to Custa
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    Jul 21, 2011 9:39 AM in response to Custa

    Personally, I don't think apple is abusive with their software upgrade scheme. It is also true that the delay in between versions is shorter now, it is the same everywhere. The price for software upgrade in a studio is very minimal compared to the equipement required (ex: Studio itself, mic pre, mics, console, good converters, computer etc...) so, it does not bother me to pay a certain fee for options I need. Upgrading to a newer OS is desirable to a certain point. Eventually we must upgrade. But a setup would lase me at least 5 years. So, my point is, for a few hundred dollars, recording studios are not complaining. There are also hubbies that cost a lot more than this.

  • by JimmyBlind,

    JimmyBlind JimmyBlind Jul 21, 2011 10:30 AM in response to Marc_Duchesne
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    Jul 21, 2011 10:30 AM in response to Marc_Duchesne

    Being an Autodesk product professional, I understand the need for software upgrades in business.  That said, even as a professional, I have probably used 20% of the software's capability over a 12 year career.  Upgrades to the software rarely improve on the 20% I need to do my job. I have, as a result, saved my company thousands of pounds by not upgrading annually as Autodesk would like us to, not to mention time in installation, training & troubleshooting. 

     

    Similarly, I have probably used a fraction of Logic's capability at home, given it's size.  I'm going to assume that the benefits of the upgrade don't correlate with it's inflated price.  Paying a lot of money for zero benefit is a choice I'd like to make myself and not a corner I want to be backed into. 

  • by dalefromaust,

    dalefromaust dalefromaust Jul 21, 2011 11:52 AM in response to Custa
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    Jul 21, 2011 11:52 AM in response to Custa

    just got this from a apple support person look when was last modified. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4807?viewlocale=en_US

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Jul 21, 2011 12:02 PM in response to Marc_Duchesne
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    Jul 21, 2011 12:02 PM in response to Marc_Duchesne

    Marc,

     

    Most studios that I know who use Logic still use 8.02 because of the inconsistencies and poor performance in Logic 9. It seems to me Apple should support their own software that's only a version behind. Releasing an update to 8.03 is a solution although not one Apple would follow up with.

     

    pancenter-

  • by Mike Connelly,

    Mike Connelly Mike Connelly Jul 21, 2011 1:07 PM in response to Pancenter
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    Jul 21, 2011 1:07 PM in response to Pancenter

    If a studio is using Logic 8 and 10.6 (or earlier) and happy with it, why would they even want to update the OS?

     

    And if there are inconsistencies and poor performance in 9, isn't Apple's engineering time better spent fixing those instead of going back to old versions?

  • by Marc_Duchesne,

    Marc_Duchesne Marc_Duchesne Jul 21, 2011 1:09 PM in response to Pancenter
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    Jul 21, 2011 1:09 PM in response to Pancenter

    OSX 10.6.8 / Logic 9.1.4 works beautifully for me. No more CPU spiking . I am mixing a heavy CPU intensive  album right now (3 NI Kontakt 4, 3 Logic guit amps,2 IK amplitube 3, full drum multitracked, UAD-2 duo at 93 %. Although the bridge is a little unstable, I am very happy with the performances. I even overdubed some tracks when the song was almost all mixed with very workable latency. Over 40 tracks. So, I will surely not upgrade anything at 3/4 of an album mixed down. I have banged my head in the pass enough...; ))

  • by Robert Davies,

    Robert Davies Robert Davies Jul 21, 2011 1:41 PM in response to Marc_Duchesne
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    Jul 21, 2011 1:41 PM in response to Marc_Duchesne

    For those with Logic Pro 8 and 10.7 obviously,

     

    Just humour me and go to your Applications folder.

     

    Find your Logic Pro app and ctrl click (or right click on it)

     

    Then click 'show package contents'

     

    Then in the resulting folder, double click on 'contents'

     

    Then double click on 'Mac OS'

     

    Finally double click on the file named 'Logic Pro'....

     

    What happens for you next??

     

    -Rob

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Jul 21, 2011 1:52 PM in response to Mike Connelly
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    Jul 21, 2011 1:52 PM in response to Mike Connelly

    Mike Connelly wrote:

     

    If a studio is using Logic 8 and 10.6 (or earlier) and happy with it, why would they even want to update the OS?

     

    And if there are inconsistencies and poor performance in 9, isn't Apple's engineering time better spent fixing those instead of going back to old versions?

     

    I don't know why, but I tend to agree that Software one version old should work on the latest and greatest, I suspect it does it's just that Apple doesn't want to support it anymore.  If someone edited their systemversion.plist to an earlier version I would be curious to see if Logic 8 ran. the only thing I can think of is that part of the Logic boot routine (not install) requires Rosetta, but that would have prevented it from running on Snow Leopard.

     

    As for Apple's engineering time time better spent fixing new versions...

     

    I'm all for that.

     

    I will be curious to hear reports of Lion's performance.

    Especially with a clean install of Lion, not an upgrade over the top of SL.

     

    pancenter-

  • by 22onepiecerb,

    22onepiecerb 22onepiecerb Jul 22, 2011 2:20 AM in response to Custa
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    Jul 22, 2011 2:20 AM in response to Custa

    I'm having the same issue with with Logic 8.0.2 not really happy that their own musical pro apps aren't supported.

  • by Eriksimon,

    Eriksimon Eriksimon Jul 22, 2011 2:53 AM in response to dalefromaust
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    Jul 22, 2011 2:53 AM in response to dalefromaust

    I wonder what the difference between 9.1.3 and 9.1.4 is that makes the latter Lion compatible but the former not?

  • by Robert Davies,

    Robert Davies Robert Davies Jul 22, 2011 3:06 AM in response to Custa
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    Jul 22, 2011 3:06 AM in response to Custa

    Using the technique outlined in my post a few up from here Logic Pro 8.0.2 runs - How well it works, needs testing.

     

    -Rob

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