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objectivistzen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Jul 22, 2011 8:35 PM

Hi,

 

Does anyone know of a tweak or 3rd party program / patch to restore the bounce button capability?

 

It seems like I found a possible work around this morning that added the bounce function back via a tweak of the Mark Message as Junk button, but my first attempt at implementing it did not work and I can't find that thread again.

 

Thanks much!

 

 

 

MacBook Air, Mac OS X (10.7), Late 2010, OS X 10.7, pimpin' hard
  • Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,255 points)
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    Jul 22, 2011 10:52 PM (in response to objectivistzen)

    I was unable to get that to work also.

     

    I have gone back to Snow Leopard.

     

    Sad, as Bounce has massively reduced my spam.

  • botcha Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 4:39 AM (in response to Ziatron)

    Ditto for me as BOUNCE also helped get rid of SPAM where nothing else worked.

     

    I hope they will restore the bounce feature in Lion Mail as there is no logical reason for them to have removed it in the first place.

  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,950 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 5:01 AM (in response to Ziatron)

    Sad, as Bounce has massively reduced my spam.

     

    You are absolutely mistaken about that.  There may have been a coincidental reduction in spam, but it had nothing to do with using Bounce.

     

    Almost all spam is sent with a bogus address on the From line, so when you bounce it, the bounce message gets sent either to some poor sap whose e-mail address is being used or to a non-existent address.

     

    Bouncing might help you eliminate junk mail coming from companies you have done business with and given your e-mail address to, and who are using real addresses.  Of course, it also might not (many such e-mails come from a "donotreply" address that just discards any mail sent to it), and such legit companies will put unsubscribe links in the e-mail.

  • Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,255 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 9:38 AM (in response to thomas_r.)
    You are absolutely mistaken about that.

     

    You are absolutely mistaken about that.

     

    I have tested Bounce extensively, while not a complete and total solution, Bounce is the most effective thing I have found for reducing spam.

  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,950 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 11:24 AM (in response to Ziatron)

    Explain to me, then, how it works.  I've explained how it doesn't.  Tell me how I'm wrong.

  • Alf Megson Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 12:10 PM (in response to thomas_r.)

    It is useful to deal with the problem of being added to somebody's mailing list who has 'repied to all' on some viral joke or the like.

     

    And it can reduce 419 spam because there is little point them using a spoofed e-mail address, is there?

  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,950 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 12:30 PM (in response to Alf Megson)

    It is useful to deal with the problem of being added to somebody's mailing list who has 'repied to all' on some viral joke or the like.

     

    That's not spam, and in my experience, my annoying acquintances who do that sort of thing never seem to act on the bounce message.  More power to you if yours do.

     

    And it can reduce 419 spam because there is little point them using a spoofed e-mail address, is there?

     

    Not following that one.  Most spammers are sending from spoofed e-mail addresses, so they'll never see the bounce.

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,455 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 1:06 PM (in response to Ziatron)

    Bounce was never anything but a tip off that the address was valid -- it did not return the same message as would a truly invalid address.  See:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3498

     

    Ernie

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,455 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 7:40 PM (in response to objectivistzen)

    Article written from perspective of an operator of a server:

     

    http://www.dontbouncespam.org/

     

    Notice that this one is writtern from the perspective of bouncing an mail which has already been accepted by your email account and its server, which is what we are all talking about:

     

    http://pm-lib.sourceforge.net/README.html

     

    Related to Outlook:

     

    http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/re-can-bounce-sender-email-message-using-outloo k-t836976.html

     

    Now if you can get your server to not accept a messsage, then you got something worthwhile.

     

    Ernie

  • guyfromdubai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 8:45 PM (in response to objectivistzen)

    Please return the BOUNCE feature.

     

    I never had a subsequent mail from one that was tagged for BOUNCE, so I used it a great deal and found it very effective, regardless of what the tech heads tell you

  • leroydouglas Level 6 Level 6 (13,330 points)
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    Jul 23, 2011 9:02 PM (in response to objectivistzen)

    objectivistzen wrote:

     

    someone recommended SpamSiever, but I haven't tested it yet.

     

    SpamSieve works flawless in Mail, well integrated and good documention.

     

    First used it on Eudora and switched to Mail in 10.6 and now 10.7

     

    Highly recommended for Mail  99.1% accuracy. Recommend by the Woz

     

     

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  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (26,950 points)
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    Jul 24, 2011 4:21 AM (in response to objectivistzen)

    Those who think the loss of this capability is just as well should respect that we have a right to demand more

     

    Nobody said the loss of Bounce was good.  I'm personally a bit upset about that, as I run a couple servers and have "catchall" e-mail addresses that catch any mail directed to any non-existent address on the domain.  Sometimes mail comes in misaddressed for whatever reason, and it needs to be bounced, but it's in my mailbox.  Mail used to let me do that.  Now it doesn't, and that doesn't make me happy.

     

    However, none of that changes the fact that bouncing spam is a bad idea from all angles, and anyone who says it works can't explain how it helps and can't prove it does because there was never any kind of real testing done.  For those who feel it "helped," the spam problem would have resolved on its own, since the bounce wouldn't be received by the spammers anyway.

  • Alf Megson Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)
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    Jul 24, 2011 6:19 AM (in response to thomas_r.)
    It is useful to deal with the problem of being added to somebody's mailing list who has 'repied to all' on some viral joke or the like.
    That's not spam, and in my experience, my annoying acquintances who do that sort of thing never seem to act on the bounce message.  More power to you if yours do.

     

    Oh No! I didn't realise that I was only supposed to use Bounce on SPAM! Why didn't somebody tell me?! I hope I didn't break any licensing ageement! OMG!

     

    Did I describe it as SPAM? No! So why my screen waste pixels pointing it out? I simply stated that I find it useful for dealing with this. And how would I know? I hear you ask, because the sender has contacted me by other means to tell me that they have lost my e-mail address at which point I tell them what I have done and inform them politely but firmly that if they include me in any future mailings they should put my e-mail address in the BCC field. It worked. I know it worked because they forgot to do this once and I bounced it abnd I never got another one.

     

    And it can reduce 419 spam because there is little point them using a spoofed e-mail address, is there?
    Not following that one.  Most spammers are sendingfrom spoofed e-mail addresses, so they'll never see the bounce.

     

    Do you know what a 419 scams are? I'm sure you have had them - mainly, it seems, from Nigeria - also known as advance fee fraud. If the sender of 419 uses a spoofed e-mail address, how can they expect you to reply? Replying is fundamental to the way 419 works. There are plenty of examples of people drawing 419ers into the open to expose them (419eater.com) or use the experience for entertainment purposes (e.g. the book Delete This at Your Peril ).

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