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objectivistzen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hi,

 

Does anyone know of a tweak or 3rd party program / patch to restore the bounce button capability?

 

It seems like I found a possible work around this morning that added the bounce function back via a tweak of the Mark Message as Junk button, but my first attempt at implementing it did not work and I can't find that thread again.

 

Thanks much!

 

 

 


MacBook Air, Mac OS X (10.7), Late 2010, OS X 10.7, pimpin' hard
  • 1. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    I was unable to get that to work also.

     

    I have gone back to Snow Leopard.

     

    Sad, as Bounce has massively reduced my spam.

  • 2. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    botcha Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ditto for me as BOUNCE also helped get rid of SPAM where nothing else worked.

     

    I hope they will restore the bounce feature in Lion Mail as there is no logical reason for them to have removed it in the first place.

  • 3. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (27,945 points)

    Sad, as Bounce has massively reduced my spam.

     

    You are absolutely mistaken about that.  There may have been a coincidental reduction in spam, but it had nothing to do with using Bounce.

     

    Almost all spam is sent with a bogus address on the From line, so when you bounce it, the bounce message gets sent either to some poor sap whose e-mail address is being used or to a non-existent address.

     

    Bouncing might help you eliminate junk mail coming from companies you have done business with and given your e-mail address to, and who are using real addresses.  Of course, it also might not (many such e-mails come from a "donotreply" address that just discards any mail sent to it), and such legit companies will put unsubscribe links in the e-mail.

  • 4. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)
    You are absolutely mistaken about that.

     

    You are absolutely mistaken about that.

     

    I have tested Bounce extensively, while not a complete and total solution, Bounce is the most effective thing I have found for reducing spam.

  • 5. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (27,945 points)

    Explain to me, then, how it works.  I've explained how it doesn't.  Tell me how I'm wrong.

  • 6. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    Alf Megson Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)

    It is useful to deal with the problem of being added to somebody's mailing list who has 'repied to all' on some viral joke or the like.

     

    And it can reduce 419 spam because there is little point them using a spoofed e-mail address, is there?

  • 7. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (27,945 points)

    It is useful to deal with the problem of being added to somebody's mailing list who has 'repied to all' on some viral joke or the like.

     

    That's not spam, and in my experience, my annoying acquintances who do that sort of thing never seem to act on the bounce message.  More power to you if yours do.

     

    And it can reduce 419 spam because there is little point them using a spoofed e-mail address, is there?

     

    Not following that one.  Most spammers are sending from spoofed e-mail addresses, so they'll never see the bounce.

  • 8. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,475 points)

    Bounce was never anything but a tip off that the address was valid -- it did not return the same message as would a truly invalid address.  See:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3498

     

    Ernie

  • 9. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    objectivistzen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It's unfortunate that bouncemail 1.0 program just went back under construction. Any more 'bounce' functionality work arounds?

     

    On another board someone recommended SpamSiever, but I haven't tested it yet.

     

    There are obviously a lot of us who have had sucess with the bounce button in one way or another. Those who think the loss of this capability is just as well should respect that we have a right to demand more (or at least not fewer) choices, and Apple has built it's reputation on meeting such consumer demands. You can go about your merry way without the bounce button, but if we can't get Apple to fix this "glitch" (to use a blame-free term) then let us at least find some script / add-in solution for restoring a very, very recently standard feature of this program.

     

    Where's "Tron" to fight for the user when you need him? Just kidding

  • 10. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,475 points)

    Article written from perspective of an operator of a server:

     

    http://www.dontbouncespam.org/

     

    Notice that this one is writtern from the perspective of bouncing an mail which has already been accepted by your email account and its server, which is what we are all talking about:

     

    http://pm-lib.sourceforge.net/README.html

     

    Related to Outlook:

     

    http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/re-can-bounce-sender-email-message-using-outloo k-t836976.html

     

    Now if you can get your server to not accept a messsage, then you got something worthwhile.

     

    Ernie

  • 11. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    guyfromdubai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Please return the BOUNCE feature.

     

    I never had a subsequent mail from one that was tagged for BOUNCE, so I used it a great deal and found it very effective, regardless of what the tech heads tell you

  • 12. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    leroydouglas Level 6 Level 6 (13,850 points)

    objectivistzen wrote:

     

    someone recommended SpamSiever, but I haven't tested it yet.

     

    SpamSieve works flawless in Mail, well integrated and good documention.

     

    First used it on Eudora and switched to Mail in 10.6 and now 10.7

     

    Highly recommended for Mail  99.1% accuracy. Recommend by the Woz

     

     

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  • 13. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (27,945 points)

    Those who think the loss of this capability is just as well should respect that we have a right to demand more

     

    Nobody said the loss of Bounce was good.  I'm personally a bit upset about that, as I run a couple servers and have "catchall" e-mail addresses that catch any mail directed to any non-existent address on the domain.  Sometimes mail comes in misaddressed for whatever reason, and it needs to be bounced, but it's in my mailbox.  Mail used to let me do that.  Now it doesn't, and that doesn't make me happy.

     

    However, none of that changes the fact that bouncing spam is a bad idea from all angles, and anyone who says it works can't explain how it helps and can't prove it does because there was never any kind of real testing done.  For those who feel it "helped," the spam problem would have resolved on its own, since the bounce wouldn't be received by the spammers anyway.

  • 14. Re: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion
    Alf Megson Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)
    It is useful to deal with the problem of being added to somebody's mailing list who has 'repied to all' on some viral joke or the like.
    That's not spam, and in my experience, my annoying acquintances who do that sort of thing never seem to act on the bounce message.  More power to you if yours do.

     

    Oh No! I didn't realise that I was only supposed to use Bounce on SPAM! Why didn't somebody tell me?! I hope I didn't break any licensing ageement! OMG!

     

    Did I describe it as SPAM? No! So why my screen waste pixels pointing it out? I simply stated that I find it useful for dealing with this. And how would I know? I hear you ask, because the sender has contacted me by other means to tell me that they have lost my e-mail address at which point I tell them what I have done and inform them politely but firmly that if they include me in any future mailings they should put my e-mail address in the BCC field. It worked. I know it worked because they forgot to do this once and I bounced it abnd I never got another one.

     

    And it can reduce 419 spam because there is little point them using a spoofed e-mail address, is there?
    Not following that one.  Most spammers are sendingfrom spoofed e-mail addresses, so they'll never see the bounce.

     

    Do you know what a 419 scams are? I'm sure you have had them - mainly, it seems, from Nigeria - also known as advance fee fraud. If the sender of 419 uses a spoofed e-mail address, how can they expect you to reply? Replying is fundamental to the way 419 works. There are plenty of examples of people drawing 419ers into the open to expose them (419eater.com) or use the experience for entertainment purposes (e.g. the book Delete This at Your Peril ).

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