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capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)

I upgraded my iMac, MBP and Mac mini to Lion and the performance has degraded on all of them.  So far, I have yet to find a single benefit in having done the upgrade.  Here's what I have so far:

 

-Sluggish apps

-Degraded graphics performance

-Degraded network performance

-Degraded streaming

-Intermittent HDMI blackouts on the mini

-Random resizing of iTunes on the mini's desktop

-Disappearing scroll bars

-Too many Safari glitches

 

Someone please tell me, what works better in Lion than in Snow Leopard?

  • 1. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    bitpuddle Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I have had exactly the opposite experience, particularly on an older MBP I upgraded (though I don't have a mini connected via HDMI).  But because you provided absolutely no information, it is clear that you want to complain, rather than do something constructive.

     

    You might want to consider cloning the drive on one of these machines, doing a clean install, and selectively reinstalling from the clone.  See if that solves anything.

  • 2. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)

    >But because you provided absolutely no information, it is clear that you want to complain, rather than do something constructive.

     

    Did you read my post before you replied to it?  I see consistent degradation across the board on three Macs.

     

    -Sluggish apps means that they take more time to process than before, which suggests heavier system load than before.

     

    -Graphics rendering for video is choppy now, especially in DVD Player, than it was before.

     

    -Network-intensive processes buffer more now than they did before. Internet radio and streaming video, for example.

     

    -My Mac mini wakes up from sleep with no video out the HDMI port or randomly resized windows when it does wake with video.  That never happened under SL.

     

    -Scroll bars disappear now when scrolling stops, leaving no indication of where I am in a long document.

     

    -Safari spell checker doesn't work, it doesn't always set cookies correctly and web pages that didn't have display format problems before have them now.

     

    What works better on your older MBP than it did under Snow Leopard?  You posted absolutely no information.

  • 3. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    jhewitt86 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I'm having the exact same experience, my 2011 iMac 27 inch is now slower than my old PowerPC G5, even iTunes can't handle playing music without constantly stuttering/jumping/skipping...

  • 4. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    bitpuddle Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I did read your post.  "Sluggish" and "Degraded" aren't useful information.  Are we supposed to imagine what is wrong with your machine?

     

    Useful information would be "operation x used to take 10 seconds, now it takes 20."

     

    Is there any useful output in the console?  What processes are taking CPU time?  How much memory and free disk space do these computers have?


    Scroll bars disappearing are a feature of Lion if you have a multitouch device connected.  You can change this behavior in system preferences.

     

    The spell checker in Safari works for me, but I really don't know what you mean by "doesn't work."  Again, not useful information.  How do you know it isn't setting cookies correctly?  It is a new version of WebKit, so pages may render differently.

  • 5. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)

    >I did read your post.  "Sluggish" and "Degraded" aren't useful information.  Are we supposed to imagine what is wrong with your machine?

     

    There is no "we," there is only you without a clue.  If you don't know what "Sluggish" and "Degraded" mean, look them up.

     

    As for your older MBP, what works better under Lion than it did under Snow Leopard?  You keep avoiding that question.

  • 6. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    Meherally Level 4 Level 4 (1,115 points)

    Actually you might find these symptoms immediately after upgrading as the system updates various files and more importantly, it will index all your drives.

     

    Please give it a day, leave it on without doing anything. Post back if the symptoms continue...

  • 7. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,745 points)

    Here is my experience to date (upgraded to Lion on day 2):

     

    Early 2009 24" iMac:

           -Video performance is just fine.

            - Applications such as Photoshop CS4 (after Java update) works great.

           -Windows7 virtual machine using Parallels (after update) works better

             than on Snow Leopard.

            -Safari faster/snappier

            -Basically, Lion has been a pretty ho-hum update.

    2011 13" MBP i7:

            -Pretty much all the comments for my iMac hold true with this guy

            -Some have said battery life is killed, I actually see my battery life

             improved and machine actually running 5 degrees cooler.

    2010 Mac Mini:

            -DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            -Severe problems with auto discovery/HDMI handshaking not present

             with Snow Leopard.

            -Any deviation whatsover from ONE!!!! start up sequence results

             in NON-FUNCTIONAL VIDEO!!!!!!  Only fix is to shut everything

             down start up everything in THAT ONE SEQUENCE plus zapping

             PRAM, then going into display preferences changing them and then

             changing them back, is the only way to get a good start up next

             time.  Oh yeah and start up with THAT ONE SEQUENCE.

            -Turn off display while Mini on and turn display back on later.

             BORKED VIDEO as stated above.  Jump through hoops again.

            -Also, when the prevous situation occurs, "option" or "command+R"

             does not work, well it might be but can't tell since VIDEO IS BORKED".

            -The plus side is, that when things boot normal, performance is really

             good

            -PLEX works fine and is still probably the best app for playing back

             h.264 video.

            -XBMC works great as a DVD playback.  The best at MPEG-2

             video playback.

            -Netflix via Safari works really well.

     

    None of my systems have any issue with sluggishness or degraded

    performance (in the case of the Mini when it boots).

     

    If you say there is major sluggishness, then check process monitor

    for how much RAM is used and identify which process is hogging up all

    the CPU.

  • 8. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,855 points)

    -Scroll bars disappear now when scrolling stops, leaving no indication of where I am in a long document.

     

    This is a feature. You can change this behaviour in the SystemPreferences,General

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

  • 9. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    bobwild Level 4 Level 4 (1,520 points)

    > Someone please tell me, what works better in Lion than in Snow Leopard?

     

    So far everthing.

     

    I did have one problem after the install that affected the performance of Mail and AddressBook. All mouse and keyboard access to them took a long time to process. Instead of blaming Apple and Lion which is the easy thing to do, I dug into the problem and I determined the problem was caused by my previous install of the FaceTime beta in Snow Leopard. Once I fixed my FaceTime login Mail and AddressBook were fixed.

  • 10. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (41,525 points)

    I concur with Bitpuddle.

     

    So far all of the Macs I have upgraded to Lion have performed better then they had before the upgrade. Hence I would suggest you have a problem with your Macs that you need to fix.

     

    If your ever manage to get down off your high horse and provide use with some useful information maybe we can help you to do that.

     

    Allan

  • 11. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)

    >2010 Mac Mini:

            -DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    Yes, exactly!

  • 12. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)

    >So far all of the Macs I have upgraded to Lion have performed better then they had before the upgrade.

     

    Please cite some examples.

     

    >Hence I would suggest you have a problem with your Macs that you need to fix.

     

    Yes, it's a lion of a problem.

     

    >If your ever manage to get down off your high horse and provide use with some useful information maybe we can help you to do that.

     

    Why are you and a few others so quick to post rude comments in your replies?  It simply isn't rational.

  • 13. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)

    >So far everthing.

     

    Please cite some examples.

  • 14. Re: Upgrading is so Degrading
    capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)

    >This is a feature. You can change this behaviour in the SystemPreferences,General

     

    I did find that one, the scrollbars are set to disappear as the default setting in Lion.

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