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Upgrading is so Degrading

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capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)
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Jul 26, 2011 5:02 AM

I upgraded my iMac, MBP and Mac mini to Lion and the performance has degraded on all of them.  So far, I have yet to find a single benefit in having done the upgrade.  Here's what I have so far:


-Sluggish apps

-Degraded graphics performance

-Degraded network performance

-Degraded streaming

-Intermittent HDMI blackouts on the mini

-Random resizing of iTunes on the mini's desktop

-Disappearing scroll bars

-Too many Safari glitches


Someone please tell me, what works better in Lion than in Snow Leopard?

  • bitpuddle Calculating status...
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    Jul 26, 2011 7:28 AM (in response to capaho)

    I have had exactly the opposite experience, particularly on an older MBP I upgraded (though I don't have a mini connected via HDMI).  But because you provided absolutely no information, it is clear that you want to complain, rather than do something constructive.


    You might want to consider cloning the drive on one of these machines, doing a clean install, and selectively reinstalling from the clone.  See if that solves anything.

  • jhewitt86 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Jul 26, 2011 7:38 PM (in response to capaho)

    I'm having the exact same experience, my 2011 iMac 27 inch is now slower than my old PowerPC G5, even iTunes can't handle playing music without constantly stuttering/jumping/skipping...

  • bitpuddle Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Jul 27, 2011 6:26 PM (in response to capaho)

    I did read your post.  "Sluggish" and "Degraded" aren't useful information.  Are we supposed to imagine what is wrong with your machine?


    Useful information would be "operation x used to take 10 seconds, now it takes 20."


    Is there any useful output in the console?  What processes are taking CPU time?  How much memory and free disk space do these computers have?

    Scroll bars disappearing are a feature of Lion if you have a multitouch device connected.  You can change this behavior in system preferences.


    The spell checker in Safari works for me, but I really don't know what you mean by "doesn't work."  Again, not useful information.  How do you know it isn't setting cookies correctly?  It is a new version of WebKit, so pages may render differently.

  • Meherally Level 4 Level 4 (1,115 points)
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    Jul 27, 2011 10:39 PM (in response to capaho)

    Actually you might find these symptoms immediately after upgrading as the system updates various files and more importantly, it will index all your drives.


    Please give it a day, leave it on without doing anything. Post back if the symptoms continue...

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Jul 28, 2011 6:20 AM (in response to capaho)

    Here is my experience to date (upgraded to Lion on day 2):


    Early 2009 24" iMac:

           -Video performance is just fine.

            - Applications such as Photoshop CS4 (after Java update) works great.

           -Windows7 virtual machine using Parallels (after update) works better

             than on Snow Leopard.

            -Safari faster/snappier

            -Basically, Lion has been a pretty ho-hum update.

    2011 13" MBP i7:

            -Pretty much all the comments for my iMac hold true with this guy

            -Some have said battery life is killed, I actually see my battery life

             improved and machine actually running 5 degrees cooler.

    2010 Mac Mini:


            -Severe problems with auto discovery/HDMI handshaking not present

             with Snow Leopard.

            -Any deviation whatsover from ONE!!!! start up sequence results

             in NON-FUNCTIONAL VIDEO!!!!!!  Only fix is to shut everything

             down start up everything in THAT ONE SEQUENCE plus zapping

             PRAM, then going into display preferences changing them and then

             changing them back, is the only way to get a good start up next

             time.  Oh yeah and start up with THAT ONE SEQUENCE.

            -Turn off display while Mini on and turn display back on later.

             BORKED VIDEO as stated above.  Jump through hoops again.

            -Also, when the prevous situation occurs, "option" or "command+R"

             does not work, well it might be but can't tell since VIDEO IS BORKED".

            -The plus side is, that when things boot normal, performance is really


            -PLEX works fine and is still probably the best app for playing back

             h.264 video.

            -XBMC works great as a DVD playback.  The best at MPEG-2

             video playback.

            -Netflix via Safari works really well.


    None of my systems have any issue with sluggishness or degraded

    performance (in the case of the Mini when it boots).


    If you say there is major sluggishness, then check process monitor

    for how much RAM is used and identify which process is hogging up all

    the CPU.

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,900 points)
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    Jul 28, 2011 6:30 AM (in response to capaho)

    -Scroll bars disappear now when scrolling stops, leaving no indication of where I am in a long document.


    This is a feature. You can change this behaviour in the SystemPreferences,General






  • bobwild Level 4 Level 4 (1,510 points)
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    Jul 28, 2011 6:32 AM (in response to capaho)

    > Someone please tell me, what works better in Lion than in Snow Leopard?


    So far everthing.


    I did have one problem after the install that affected the performance of Mail and AddressBook. All mouse and keyboard access to them took a long time to process. Instead of blaming Apple and Lion which is the easy thing to do, I dug into the problem and I determined the problem was caused by my previous install of the FaceTime beta in Snow Leopard. Once I fixed my FaceTime login Mail and AddressBook were fixed.

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (39,560 points)
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    Jul 28, 2011 6:34 AM (in response to capaho)

    I concur with Bitpuddle.


    So far all of the Macs I have upgraded to Lion have performed better then they had before the upgrade. Hence I would suggest you have a problem with your Macs that you need to fix.


    If your ever manage to get down off your high horse and provide use with some useful information maybe we can help you to do that.



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