Currently Being ModeratedJul 29, 2011 12:25 PM (in response to wyager)
With 4GB of RAM installed in my MBP 5,1 running 10.6.7, kernel task is using 178MB of RAM. FWIW, that's considerably less than the 256MB of RAM that is allocated to my integrated GPU — leading me to believe the GPU's RAM is not included in what the kernel task is reported to use.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 29, 2011 1:39 PM (in response to eww)
Yes. When my computer runs out of RAM, its performance goes down. There's your proof.
Please stop trying to justify the problem, the purpose of this thread is to solve it.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 29, 2011 1:53 PM (in response to wyager)
I'm not justifying anything. I've just tried to point out that what you're moaning about has always been true, since long before OS X was dreamed of.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 29, 2011 2:17 PM (in response to eww)
Telling us that isn't helping anyone. We're looking for a solution, so if you don't have anything constructive to say then don't say it. Seriously, this entire thread the majority of your posts have been "stop whining guys, os x is perfect." Obviously most of the people in this thread disagree.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 29, 2011 5:42 PM (in response to wyager)
It would indeed be cheery if you'd stop whining, but please remind me where in this or any other thread I said OS X was perfect.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 29, 2011 7:14 PM (in response to eww)
What ever happened to "As you suggest, I'll just go away and let you wait to hear back from Apple."?
Arguing with you is counterproductive, as arguing with fanboys tends to be. Please leave us to find a solution rather than repeatedly assure us everything is OK. If everything was OK, we wouldn't be "whining" in this thread.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 2:32 AM (in response to wyager)
As you suggest, I'll go away and let you wait forever to hear from Apple.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 7:55 AM (in response to wyager)
You stated a few days ago what I said about Macs allocating RAM to be BS. Perhaps what I meant was the OS itself. Does the OS have anything to do with the way RAM is allocated? I agree it seems unusual that the kernel task should be eating so much RAM. Wyager I found this thread on the Apple forums though not directly related to this some knowledgeable people talk about memory usage. If you don't find it insightful please don't patronize me by saying it is bulls**t as well. Another thing I want to suggest. If you want a definitive answer to this thread start another thread and put Attention Kappy in the title followed by the issue. Kappy is the most knowledgeable person I've ever encountered on these forums. He's forgotten more than any of us combined in this thread know.
Post Script: Wyager don't be arrogant, and don't patronize others. That's not what these forums are for. Everyone here is on a different level as far as knowledge goes. We're all here to learn and try to help eachother. I say this to you in kindness.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 1:54 PM (in response to wyager)
Here is an answer that may help you, me and everyone else unstand this issue a bit more.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 5:17 PM (in response to MacJoseph)
Hmph. A helpful answer, yes, although a somewhat condescending one, too. I don't think noticing what appears to be abnormal RAM usage in comaprison with other machines, and wondering what might be causing it, makes one a "pseudo-techie" who should be unilaterally ignored. But anyway, I'm glad we've managed to get some sort of resolution on this issue, such as it is.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 7:25 PM (in response to Gerard Klein)
The more RAM you put in a machine the more it is going to use. I know that probably doesn't make sense, but I know it to be true. I have 8GB of RAM and Lion is consuming almost 3GB with FF running and some other programs running in the backgorund. But it is not affecting system performance. I always have a little over 5GB free. I honestly don't think you're ever going to find a solution to the kernel task memroy usage. I Googled this and it's been an issue for people for a very long time. Google for yourself and see. I know noone wants to hear this, but adding more RAM makes this a non-issue.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 7:48 PM (in response to MacJoseph)
Kappy's answer didn't really explain much, but it helps I guess...
MacJoseph, I am not interested in palliating the problem, I am interested in eliminating it. There is a problem with the operating system, and "buying more RAM" is not a solution. What happens when I need 7 gigs of RAM?
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 7:57 PM (in response to DChabot)
Wyager, I fear the only way you're going to eliminate it is to somehow manually control how much RAM is assigned to the Intel GPU, and it doesn't look like that there's any easy way of doing that:
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 8:13 PM (in response to wyager)
I give up. What happens when you need 7GB of RAM? Bro ...I'm out on this one. You make adding more RAM sound like something that should not be done. Strange, I thought having more RAM was a good thing.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 30, 2011 8:12 PM (in response to thawking78)
See, I think we may have been wrong about that... I believe the GPU takes up "wired" RAM, but it is not part of kernel_task. Kernel_task plus 384 megabytes (used by the graphics card) is just short of my wired memory. Same thing on my friend's macbook, but of course his kernel_task only uses 140 megs.
So, the integrated graphics chipset seems to take up "wired" RAM, but is NOT part of kernel_task.
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