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Q: Apple display and Thunderbolt compatibility

Hi,

Looking at the Intel spec for the Thunderbolt technology (http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/index.htm), it is my understanding that they use a chip as controller to merge the internal PCIe and DisplayPort signals to two bi-directional 10GB/s channels to the target device which can be a display or drive or both. Therefore, if the target device is a drive, it needs to be Thunderbolt compatible, which means that it needs to include this same Intel controller. Now, if the target device is an Apple display, do they already have this controller ?
Based on what I understand from the Intel spec, the display has to be Thunderbolt compatible:

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And Thunderbolt enabled products are compatible with existing DisplayPort devices so you don’t have to go buy a new display to take advantage of a Thunderbolt technology enabled computer
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So, are the existing Apple displays already Thunderbold compatible or do we have to wait or buy an adapter ?
I do not understand how Apple displays already sold x months back can work while connected to this Thunderbolt port on the laptop, if this port uses this special controller which also needs to be on the target device.

I have not found any information for Thunderbold on the Apple spec page for their display and I have not found any Thunderbolt adapter for native Apple displays.

Any idea ?

Thanks

iMac 20"

Posted on Feb 26, 2011 12:11 PM

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  • by Mike95,

    Mike95 Mike95 Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM in response to Condios
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    Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM in response to Condios

    From what I understand, not all people are having issues with 24" cinema display.  More specificaly I'm even considering buying one because I think the 27" cinema display is too large.  I'm under the impression not everyone has this problem and its only a select few and it may be the few with Mac Minis, or a subset of the mac minis.  To help charles.m.h., can anyone confirm they are using their cinema display fine with the thunderbolt macs?

  • by charles.m.h.,

    charles.m.h. charles.m.h. Jul 26, 2011 1:41 PM in response to Mike95
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    Jul 26, 2011 1:41 PM in response to Mike95

    Thank you Mike95.

    I posted my issue on different thread and got some responses. They are people with the same issue, with the same configuration.

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/15720875#15720875

     

    I suspect it might something related to the Mac Mini thuderbolt port (maybe not stable), as I previously had no issue with my 2008 Macbook with mini display port.

     

    Charles

  • by Mike95,

    Mike95 Mike95 Jul 26, 2011 2:21 PM in response to charles.m.h.
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    Jul 26, 2011 2:21 PM in response to charles.m.h.

    Great thanks to hear the responses were helpful. Thanks for the cross link

  • by xaidex,

    xaidex xaidex Jul 30, 2011 2:00 AM in response to Condios
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    Jul 30, 2011 2:00 AM in response to Condios

    An upgrade to OS X Lion resolved my issue!

  • by charles.m.h.,

    charles.m.h. charles.m.h. Jul 30, 2011 8:53 AM in response to xaidex
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    Jul 30, 2011 8:53 AM in response to xaidex

    Hi!

     

    I have re-installed Lion on my new iMAC. Rebooting, + cmd + R, and downloading the whole thing again.

    For the moment, my display works well, no more black flickering. Maybe the Lion version shipped on Mac mini has something missing.

     

    thanks a lot for the tip!

     

    Charles

  • by bastac,

    bastac bastac Jul 31, 2011 2:11 AM in response to Mike95
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    Jul 31, 2011 2:11 AM in response to Mike95

    Hi!

    I got my new mac mini yesterday and the 24'' cinema display 1 week before. Both didn't work tougether. Black flickering from the first start up to now. I am just trying to solve the problem by rebooting the lion installation but it takes more than 6 hours.

    Greetings from Germany

    bastac

  • by charles.m.h.,

    charles.m.h. charles.m.h. Jul 31, 2011 6:33 AM in response to bastac
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    Jul 31, 2011 6:33 AM in response to bastac

    The black intermittent flickering is back. It was fine for a couple of days ... This is really annoying!

    Apple do something about this.

  • by DallasGabe,

    DallasGabe DallasGabe Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM in response to nwipfli
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    Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM in response to nwipfli

    I tested 2 Mac minis with the same configuration (mid 2011, 2.5GHz AMD Radeon HD 6630M) one from the online Apple Store and the other from the retail store, and both make my 24" LED Cinema Display flicker. Tested the display with a MacBook Air (2010 no thunderbolt) and it works perfectly.

    So something is definitely wrong with the minis and the thunderbolt port.

     

    Apple, please fix it!

  • by charles.m.h.,

    charles.m.h. charles.m.h. Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM in response to DallasGabe
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    Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM in response to DallasGabe

    DallasGabe,

     

    I also did do a test connecting my 24"LED Display to my Macbook Air (2010 no Thunderbolt). No issue at all. Same for my 2009 Macbook. So I agree there is definetely something wrong with the new Mac Mini & Thunderbolt port.

     

    Charles

  • by Chris Diaz,

    Chris Diaz Chris Diaz Aug 2, 2011 2:51 PM in response to charles.m.h.
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    Aug 2, 2011 2:51 PM in response to charles.m.h.

    I dont think this is Mac Mini specifically related, we need to know whether a MBP with Thunderbolt connected to that display exhibits the same problem.  the MBA would also be a viable candidate but then again the Thunderbolt chip on the MBA has less power than that of the Mini, by half, so we would need a MBP to compare apples to apples...

  • by llg696,

    llg696 llg696 Aug 2, 2011 9:22 PM in response to Chris Diaz
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    Aug 2, 2011 9:22 PM in response to Chris Diaz

    @ Chris Diaz,  it seems to be the case for the early 2011 MBP see the multiple replies on

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2765598?start=60&tstart=0

     

    I have the same issue using the new mid 2011 mac mini with AMD graphic card.

  • by NicoNB,

    NicoNB NicoNB Aug 2, 2011 11:20 PM in response to llg696
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    Aug 2, 2011 11:20 PM in response to llg696

    This problem is reported for MBP's early 2011, iMac's Mid 2011 and Mac Mini's mid 2011.

    All these computers have the Thunderbolt port.

     

    It seems it works fine with the 27" ACD but is having problems supporting a 24" ACD.

    ALSo other make external monitors seem to be flickering when connected to a TB port.

     

    Most surprisingly, no reports yet of the latest MBA's having problems with the 24" ACD.

  • by charles.m.h.,

    charles.m.h. charles.m.h. Aug 3, 2011 12:02 AM in response to NicoNB
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    Aug 3, 2011 12:02 AM in response to NicoNB

    Thanks NicoNB! The fact that there is no issue with the MBA might be due to 2 things:

    1. Apple corrected the problem, hence there is a possible firmware solutions which is due to be out soon - probably waiting to see if there are any issues reported within the next few weeks.

    2. The MBA is using half the power on the Thunderbolt, this may have something to do with the fact there is no issue.

     

    Charles

  • by NicoNB,

    NicoNB NicoNB Aug 3, 2011 12:55 AM in response to charles.m.h.
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    Aug 3, 2011 12:55 AM in response to charles.m.h.

    @Charles

    For now I am thinking it may be the fact that Apple used a different chip in the MBA as you already pointed out.

    If the firmware differs I think some of the tech guys would have thought of using that piece of firmware to fix the issues with the other systems with a TB port.

    Or is that just to simple?

  • by bastac,

    bastac bastac Aug 4, 2011 4:44 AM in response to NicoNB
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    Aug 4, 2011 4:44 AM in response to NicoNB

    Hi,

    I just phoned the Apple Support (hotline) and they told me, that there is a brand new update for APBs and new mac minis, particulary because of thunderbolt compatibility. Hope it helps. Can't test it now (at work).

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