Q: Restore bounce to Mail in Lion

Dear Beloved, just delete those, as we will find you again anyway

Ernie

Did I describe it as SPAM? No!

Then why are you bringing it up when replying to my message discussing the use of bounce with spam?  Sheesh, ditch the attitude.

If the sender of 419 uses a spoofed e-mail address, how can they expect you to reply?

And, as Ernie has pointed out, those people can tell that your bounces are not real, so why risk confirming your address when you could just filter the spam?

the bounce function was useful I have 8 Mac's in my office and we upgraded 4 to lion ,when some one noticed that the bounce function is not there we stopped the upgrade and we are returning to the old OSX

bouncing the unwanted mail was great regardless who says that was confirmation that your e-mail exist or any none sense bottom line you dont like it do not use it but that dose not mean that others who like this function cant have it,

for me the Whole lion OSX is worthless without this function and it is not worth the money they are asking for

they added few functions removed others ,but the whole thing is about the same...dont spend the money

Bounce message is brilliantly useful if you want to make someone think you haven't seen their message when in fact you have.  I once received a very personal email that wasn't intended to be sent to me.  It was so positive to bounce that message and save the sender from a great deal of humiliation.  On an other occasion I used it during a work dispute with someone who had a selective mental health issue.  I received a very long rambling email that was 100% total BS,  I simply bounced the message and it was as if the BS had never existed.  The person never had the energy to regurgitate the BS again. It's a fact that BS takes an awful lot of effort to concoct and even more effort to re-concoct.  BRILLIANT!   

With respect to spam reduction. It depends on the nature of the SPAM you are getting.  If your address has become known to the automated SPAM brigade it won't make any difference.  But if you are just getting a lot of promo BS from people who are doing it manually,  the Bounce command can have an effect.  

It would have been easy for them to tell it was a fake bounce, but with the parties involved it worked.

Ernie

All you guys that are ragging about it not working really missed the point.  Those of us that use it don't use it for canned spam.  We use it on people one-on-one.  Get tired of someone? bounce the mail.  Tonight a guy I know kept sending me more and more information about the impending hurricane that's coming.  I live way inland and don't really care.  Finally on the 5th one I was going to bounce it and leave him wondering... that's when I discovered the loss of a feature I use occasionally.  And I miss it already.  Yes, some people know that it's bounced mail, but most don't.  ONly mac owners know what it is, and do you think all those people sending to you are mac owners?  Nope, only about 10% or less.

Exactly right spydie2.

Please bring it back, it was very useful when getting messages from unwanted people.  Yes if they're a tech head they'll know its a fake bounce, but then the message is definitely recieved.

I agree.  aside from whether people think it works or not for one thing or another, it is a feature that we want back.  just because some folks dont use it or think that it doesnt work, that's besides the point.  I have used it for both personal and SPAM rejects and i find that it DOES work.  moreso, it is a brilliant way to send something back to the sender so that it appears undeliverable.  Most people i know do not even know how to open long headers of an email, let alone read the details of the information therein to understand what is really going on.  i think the bounce feature shines most in rejecting BS emails from people.  the other day i got a total BS email and instead of replying to it, i wish i had just bounced it, because when people are in BS mode, they are totally unreasonable.  funny thing is, that was a day before i "upgraded" to Lion, which means i actually could have used BOUNCE one last glorious time. 

Dear All,

Meanwhile Apple accepts to reactivate this nice feature, you can use applescript to use it.

The "bounce" command in Mail's applescript language still works.

Copy this next script in applescript editor, save. It is formatted to work as a mail rule.

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using terms from application "Mail"

          on perform mail action with messages theMessages

                    tell application "Mail"

                              repeat with eachMessage in theMessages

  bounce eachMessage

                              end repeat

                    end tell

          end perform mail action with messages

end using terms from

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To launch the applescript you can use the great Mail Act-On soft.

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/17808/mail-act-on

Voilà. Hope this helps someone.

Cheers !

Hubert CAMPAN

Hello All,

As to whether or not the 'Bounce" feature can deter unwanted email I submit the following, an actual email that I recieved from a list manager:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your membership in the mailing list Right-Stuf-News has been disabled

due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated

01-Aug-2011.  You will not get any more messages from this list until

you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like

this before your membership in the list is deleted.

To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message

(leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at

   http://lists.rightstuf.com/mailman/confirm/right-stuf-news/43622eca837b7a4c7378a c70b4dacafd58b67026

You can also visit your membership page at

   http://lists.rightstuf.com/mailman/options/right-stuf-news/ddulaney%40mac.com

On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such

as your email address and whether you get digests or not.  As a

reminder, your membership password is

If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner

at

   right-stuf-news-owner@lists.rightstuf.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I had inadvertently set my email to be forwarded to a phone that I discontinued, so all my mail was bouncing.

This may not apply to ALL mail types but it does show that bounces ARE monitored by some.

I actually subscribed to this list so I corrected the problem, but if this was unwanted I would have appreciated being able to bounce it selectively. Bounce WAS a useful feature and I DO want it back! Sure as #@%% going to try the above script!

Thanks all for your time.

d

I couldn't get the script to work the way that Lydie CAMPAN described it, but I did do a slight variation on that method with acceptable results (and no 3rd party software either).  Kudos for finding that Applescript can still bounce a message.

1. Open Automator.

2. Create a new service.

3. Configure the service so that it has "no input" in "Mail"

4. Drag "Get Selected Mail Messages" into the workflow

5. Drag "Run Applescript" into the workflow

6. Use the following AppleScript, then save the workflow with a name like "Bounce Message".

on run {input, parameters}

          tell application "Mail"

                         repeat with eachMessage in input

            bounce eachMessage

                         end repeat

          end tell

end run

7. In Mail, select the message you would like to bounce.  Then from the "Mail" menu, choose "Services", then click on your new service.  The message will bounce.

Hey there Charrison!   Thanks that worked great for me - however... is there a way to add to the script to auto delete the message afer it's bounced?

Ya, simply add a new line to the Applescript immediately beneath the "bounce eachMessage".  The new line should be:

"delete eachMessage"

Awesome!  Works like a charm - Thanks!