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  • 525. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    McTweak Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    For computing power, stability, and security I expect that Lion is probably right on track. Changes to the look and feel however, are just too clever by half!  Most of the changes to the user interface make me think that the developers just ran out of ideas and remind me of the garbage that Windows throws my way.   A Mac enthusiast since the 80s, it's the first upgrade I've experienced in which I am (highly) motivated to scour for settings that allow me undo so much SILLY behavior.  I trust that Apple will demonstrate its long held lead in LOGICAL user interface by providing more "opt-out" preferences as updates are released.

  • 526. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    coocooforcocoapuffs Level 3 Level 3 (845 points)

    I totally agree with u there. All the old iron that has Lion installed shows a marked increase in performance over SL (from dog slow to zippy), which was a great blessing, as i was considering new stuff but now no real need. In short, extended the life of 4 boxes by 1 year or so. Yippee!

  • 527. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    PeterVL57 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    alwaysforever wrote:


    I like the new trackpad gestures a lot too, but then again, I like and use magic trackpad.


    Launchpad strikes me as pointless. The only use I can see for it, is so salespeople can demo the new line in the store, to iPhone and iPad users looking to get their first desktop or laptop. That's all it's good for.


    This puzzles me. You like trackpad, you like gestures, but you think launchpad as pointless?

    SL had several ways to access programs, but none of these ways are satisfying. When you use a lot of programs, like me, the Dock gets to crowded. So you must use the programstack on the Dock of finder as an alternative. Didn't like that eather, because you had to search for your program in a long list.

    With Launchpad I can organize the programs as I please and with one movement of my fingers I can access programs I need in just seconds. It's great.

  • 528. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Teela Brown Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I'd like launchpad better if I could add an app to more than one folder at a time, and if an option-click could open all the apps in a folder at once.

  • 529. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Gary Drum Level 2 Level 2 (380 points)

    Launchpad is probably my least used feature of Lion. I have the Applications folder on the right side of the dock. I click on it and it opens in a grid and there are my apps. No need to go to the left of the dock and click launchpad and sort through three pages of icons.

    Other than that, I've become enamored of Lion. It's quite zippy on my three-year-old iMac with only 2 gig of RAM, it's wonderful on my white Macbook with four gig RAM and the modern trackpad. I use the magic trackpad with the iMac and it tends to make use of both machines quite consistent.

    Once I tamed Mission Control not to reorder my Spaces, I find it more powerful than the previous Spaces setup.

    I appreciate Versions, but I do wish I still had a "Save As" button when I simply want to save a file under a different name, such as when doing a new edition of a newsletter. But that's a small issue.

    Overall, spending thirty bucks to get a new OS on two Macs strikes me as a pretty good upgrade.

  • 530. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    rafalfromdes plaines Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Can you just make a duplicate of the document? I think it works as 'Save As...'

  • 531. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Gary Drum Level 2 Level 2 (380 points)

    That's what I do with Lion. Then I click Cmd-S and it asks me for a name to save it as. But then I have to close the original, so it sort of adds an extra step. But it's no biggie once I figured out the work-around.

    I do also like just closing a program like Pages and having it reopen the document I was working on right where I was when I closed the program.

  • 532. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Douglas Miner Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Right track, perhaps, but what good is 64 bit when the real performance is vastly slower than SL, writing to disk is nearly stone tablet slow, there are very long load times for application resources, the thing crashes constantly including hard freezes where force quit doesn't even work and many main line apps won't run well enough to use. Not being able to access the hidden folders without command line action or third party applets is absurd since it is essential to be able to trash preference and other files in the trouble shooting process. I agree with others that some if not all of these "new" features should be user swithcahble. The auto save and restore at restart features drive me nuts. It is not the new features I dislike, but the fact that you are forced to use them. Also, this is the first Mac OS that so tampers with the disk formatting that you cannot reinstall an older version easily. In my case one of the first things that happened was that Lion fried my TimeMachine drive, so using that for restoration was not an otion. When they get all of the bugs worked out and the IO speeds up by order of magnitude, I think I will be quite happy with Lion. Since Apple has been nearly silent on the issue and since most mainline pundits give Lion the thumbs up, I suspect it will be a while. Lucking, I have othe Macs still running the rock solid, now legacy app, Snow Leopard.

  • 533. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    cpeterz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I could give you detailed, and step-by-step help with downgrading to snow leopard, but you would have to have your documents backed up in advance.

  • 534. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    cpeterz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You can 'Duplicate' the document, and then save it. Rember that not only do you have to take your hands off of the keyboard completely, and use the mouse for a menu option to do this, but once you have saved the duplicate and are finished with it you still have the added step of having to close the original file window and telling the computer not to save it. It doesn't save time over Save as or CMD-Q then dealing with a dialogue box. It really isn't faster in this particular regard.

  • 535. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    cpeterz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It goes beyond breaking screen sharing. One of the biggest oversights or bugs with OS Lion is the screen sharing, multi-screen functions of the OS. In Snow Lion I use to have software that let me put my ipad on a stand and extend my MBP screen onto it. This would use screen sharing to give me more screen realestate. I also had similar software for my workstation PC. Once I installed the software for the devices on Lion, it created a screensaver problem. The screensaver will come on randomly even when I was using the computer. I ran a search on Google and found that many other people who rely on screen sharing software had run into this error. For now you can only uninstall the software, the preferences, and the plst files that are associated and stick with the single monitor.

  • 536. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    cpeterz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @coocooforcocoapuffs I imagine that you are very much correct in your analysis about the user experience being defined by the user who is inheriting the OS. I think that people who are coming to OS Lion from iOS devices probably do have a much better experience out of the box. Then as you said there are people like me who come from a 5.25", 3.24", Cassette Tape, and cartridge storage era. I had command lines growing up, even on my Apple IIe. My issue with Lion isn't that I overall 'HATE' it. In general it's pretty okay for only $29. Here is where I am coming from, and I think it is the problem that many 'power' users are having. Many of us understand more than the surface of computing. The advance features of the GUI don't scare us. We are accustomed to being able to turn on or off preferences that do or do not work for us. It isn't the complain in the long run that Lion is an iOS wanna be, I think it is that things were changed, and that they were done from a very arrogant tack that Apple has of thinking that everyone should change because they says so. Even though Apple has been a trend setter in the market, when was the last time that you had an OS upgrade on a $2,300 computer from Apple where you couldn't choose either to take full advantage of a new OS feature or simply turn it off? I was there from the beginning of OS X and each new iteration had improvements, but I could always keep them or leave them. I think the frustration is that people can't pick and choose, and they feel like the OS is driving them instead of the other way around. I am a control freak when it comes to computing. I feel the need to be GOD when I'm in the environment, but Lion isn't having that. I think that options for more control, and updates for better stability will come with future updates, and I think I will become an increasingly happier user as a result. Until then, I agree with where you are coming from, but my honest opinion is that it with an OS that has much of the same core intact as before, it wouldn't have been that great a bother for Apple engineers to have given their customer base the power and flexibility in OS customization that OS X was ushered in on over ten years ago.

  • 537. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    babowa Level 7 Level 7 (23,280 points)

    You make some excellent points.


    I am a control freak when it comes to computing.


    I don't know that I'd call myself a control freak; however, I am rather adamant in my belief that a computer is a tool and it should do what I tell it to do instead of anticipating or assuming - rather presumpuously - that I want windows open when I boot up; that can lead to disastrous results. I wound up with the malware MacDefender taking over my Yahoo Inbox. There was no way out - iMac was completely unresponsive. The only thing that worked was a hard shutdown. Every time I rebooted, I wound up with the same malware website. I finally had to yank the cord from the modem so I could boot without automatic internet access - deleted all cookies, caches, and history and then it worked. Another possible (and potentially dangerous) scenario would be that you are with one client with a window open showing their personel/financial info including their SSN. You later visit another client and they may be able to view the other person's information.


    So, if there has to be a Resume because someone thought it's a good idea, I'd - as a minimum - would expect a decent way to control it or turn it on/off. Very simple: provide an option, possible as a System Prefs Pane where one could choose which apps, if any, one wants to open automatically. FWIW, in my case, it would be none.

  • 538. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    taxicab6109 Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    I have a feeling that Lion is NOT moving out the door half at any where near the rate that apple was banking on. According to AppleInsider and I quote "Apple adds Mac OS X Lion compatibility to Leopard Migration Assitant"

    The way I read this to mean you won't have to upgrade to Snow Leopard first before upgrading to Lion. You can go directly to Lion without the previous step first. Looks like the negative feedback is cutting into their upgrade sales to Snow Leopard base and now they are going after the Leopard users.

  • 539. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Jerry Dalton1 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I like a lot of things about Lion. I use a MBPs and multiple monitors and multiple windows both at home and at work, I ride a van and use the MPB alone on the van, in meetings, and in the back yard, etc.   So I was really looking forward to Lion's merging of IOs and Desk OS. 


    There are many things that I like about Lion. My install went flawlessly and it has been stable. I like the new Mail, and Safari.  I don't like the Pop-Up Adds. Lion is a very fine ONE-Screen OS and there's the problem.


    Full screen mode should have been named 1-Screen mode.


    Unfortunately the lack of dual-screen support and the changes to the Espose function, no longer showing minimized applications, are deal-breakers for me. I absolutely can't use it at work and it's **** inconvienent at home too.


    Thus I have reverted to SN and will paitently wait (hope) that Apple comes to it's senses and restores the multi-screen multi-window features of SN along with the 1-screen mode, for when I only have one screen.

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